Whats the difference between your guild paying for respecs and just having dual spec? the warrior still doesnt pay for his respec
He pays a part of it still, and it removes gold from the economy far more efficiently in the long run.
The guild uses about 900g a week on paying for 75% of the respec costs. Basically 1k. So every week my guild goes through the cost of a dual spec. That’s just the guild paying for our tanks and healers to respec for guild groups. Not pvp respecs, farming respec, exc. The gold removed from the economy is far more without dual spec in the long run.
And this still baffles me to understand why you think this system is perfectly okay and that this applies to everyone else that they’ll earn the same amount of gold just like yours and other fortunate farmer guilds. Not everyone plays the same level, you know.
I mean, it’s donation based. If you have a guild of 40 people and each one donates 10g a week that’s 400g a week. Are you saying you can’t afford 10g a week to help your guildies respec to be able to tank and heal for you when their main spec is dps or pvp?
If that’s the case you are extremely bad with gold.
And we aren’t rich, we just work together to distribute the costs.
Go do all the summer festival events fire turn ins/stomps that’s over 600g there. You not putting any effort or thought into making gold isn’t the games fault, nor is it a design flaw.
Those quests are basically free gold, you just tall to someone or do a 3 second cast and turn it in.
If you have so much trouble with getting gold, there’s going to be a lot more dailies to do in phase 2. And you can generate gold easily with those.
Also I play maybe 2 hours a day, it’s usually around 30 minutes at most, just doing the cooking and fishing dailies and the current fire festival dailies, then checking the AH for profit opportunities.
I can make about 50g from doing those 4 dailies. Then find cheap bids expensive buyout and try to double my money with no real risk. I use an AH addon, you should try using one to make gold, helps a lot.
Basically you are saying you like deleting 1000g a week. even if Dual Spec is added. you can continue to not buy Dual Spec and delete 1000g a week.
You argument against dual spec is extremely weak at best. your guild would stand to greatly benefit from dual spec if you throwing away that much gold a week for respecs. I dont see anything you said as a valid reason against it.
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The gold sink is ONE of the factors of why dual spec shouldn’t be added.
Also the health of the economy IS important to the game, even though you seem to think otherwise.
Ya… that’s the typical argument rolled out about these things. Don’t like flying? Well no one is forcing you to fly. I mean… you’ll be locked out of a few key dungeons that impede your progress, you’ll also be unable to farm mats at the same rate as your peers, also everything in the game will take considerably more time for you… but you have the choice!!!
Give me a break… Let’s not act like people won’t bend to convenience. We have literally 16-17 years of experience with this game consistently demonstrating people bending to convenience. The whole point of returning to classic was to move back to this time frame. Does that mean that nochanges is the right answer? Well after watching what world buffs and other clear problems caused… no it’s not the right answer. Somechanges IS the right answer, but used VERY sparingly. Not because you want the game to just be more convenient for you.
The tinnitus change is a great example of this. It was pretty much setting up a world buffs 2.0 scenario, where entire guilds were already setting up drums rotations before the expac even came out. That makes perfect sense to step in and make a change as it was once again completely changing the experience now that we have soooo much more information about this content. The HvH BGs, another commonly trotted out example, is another situation that I don’t think even Bliz wants to do… but they’ve made a problem (actually we did, but tbf they didn’t exactly help) and now they’re trying to help us hobble together back towards an actual playable experience.
Dual spec does neither of those. Not having it isn’t setting up some massive PITA player experience anywhere close to what drums or world buffs caused. It’s straight up a convenience change. That’s it. No. Wait for wrath.
Oh and for those of you claiming it will help the tank problem… Go play retail… They ALSO have a massive tank shortage with absolutely zero restrictions to spec swaps.
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NO THANKS!
Go back to retail…
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I don’t think you’ve played retail to assume that dual spec is going to make it like it’s retail.
your whole argue is, its too convenient and go play retail… doesnt really help win anyone to your side… your argument is just as weak as the last guy.
Definitely do need dual spec in this game.
Yea, needs to be done, best thing since sliced bread.
Your whole argument is I’m too lazy to farm gold and use it to respec. If you are too lazy and don’t like to be inconvenienced that is a you problem. There is a version of the game that caters to lazy players. It’s called retail.
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I don’t think he said that at all. If anything, dual spec was implemented in the past because, as was said by Greg Street, the intent behind it was to ensure players had more option on the table when it came to playing with each other.
The whole “farm gold” mentality ensures that people are not playing together and are instead engaging in more solo content in support of trying to play with other players. Dual spec ensures you spend less time farming and more time playing the game with your friends.
all the healers I know run dungeons and make plenty of gold that way
Except that was their design philosophy around Wrath not TBC (Bring the player not the class). In TBC the dev team still very much wanted to respect the RPG elements of limiting what a player can do with a single character.
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This is indeed true. I also think there are many people in this thread who downplay just how much gold professions can net.
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Farming gold is part of playing TBC. Farming gold was part of vanilla. I get that at some point farming gold became a tedium players did not want to do. I don’t think it’s any coincidence I found those versions to be crap and could not hold my interest.
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Citation please.
Incorrect. Most if not all gold I have ever acquired in this game came from quests and dungeons. Roughly 5% of any gold I’ve ever had on this character came from farming it solo.
Most of the reason I don’t solo farm has to do with the fact that bots are taking up that market. Not worth it. Don’t wanna compete with gold-buyers and cheaters.
Please add more inclusivity to TBC alongside dual spec