Stop.
I play the game and have more gold than you. You haven’t even cleared Karazhan. Just stop.
Dual Spec is a net positive for the experience of the players. Full stop.
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Look at that more insults, what a surprise.
Yes I have cleared Kara, and I would be surprised if you didn’t have more gold than me, most of my farmed materials goes to donations to the guild. I typically only keep the raw gold I make. Anything worth putting to the AH usually goes to guildies.
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Rohkthok completely agrees with OP’s idea about dual spec.
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This is TBC play it for what it, dual spec is WOTLK wait for it.
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Rohkthok thanks you for the help of refreshing the thread.
Alright I have more time now.
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Dual spec removes a gold sink for many players and results in less gold removed from the economy in the long run due to most players not respecing outside of a pve spec and pvp spec.
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Dual spec damages spec identity and makes things more of a class identity instead. As a quick example look at arcane mage vs frost mage. Arcane is single target damage focused while frost is utility focused with decent single target and aoe. Both specs have a strong point and a weak point but if we add dual spec it makes spec identity less of an important factor because a mage could be arcane for raids and then use the frost spec for pvp and heroics. This is one example only using a pure dps class, now think of the effects it has on Hybrids.
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It breaks the meta, think back to point 2 and now look at how it can effect raids. Fights that have more aoe damage could see healers and dps changing spots with dual spec so you have more resto shamans and less holy paladins, it makes Feral druids less valuable because one of their strengths is being a good tank AND a decent dps in the same spec and only needing to change gear based on the role, because the talents for tank or dps Feral are VERY close, but this strength of a Feral tank goes away when a prot warrior can just change to a dps on the spot.
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It wasn’t part of tbc, and I don’t just mean it wasn’t added in tbc, I mean it wasn’t part of the design of the game. In wotlk when it was added classes saw massive changes to remove spec identity and make it class Identity and made all classes more similar. As a quick example almost every class had a baseline interrupt in wotlk, this was not true in tbc. Many classes had to spec I to the interrupt in tbc. The design of the classes changed from "bring a good mix of classes to cover the weaknesses of other classes or buff each other up (example boomkin gives hit rating for the raid and spell crit for its group). While wotlk class design changed to bring the player not the class. Tbc and wotlk saw a massive difference in class design and this is part of why dual spec doesn’t belong in tbcc.
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Damages open world. Part of not having dual spec is having to get gold to constantly respec, by having dual spec people won’t feel as much incentive to go into the world to do dailies (more daily coming soon, we have very few at this time) outside of just rep, but wanting the gold to respec constantly. This may sound counterintuitive to the gold sink part but that’s part of what gold sinks do, they keep us playing the game instead of raid logging, they keep us interacting with others.
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Damages community. Now it won’t damage the entire community as an example, my guild works together to fund our Hybrids respecs. It’s voluntary based but we have a donation fund that goes into paying for our tanks and healers respecs. It’s not free for them to grab from at any time, but we have a shadow priest that will heal heroics for us, when he changes to heal he gets 75g covered by the guild (he makes the other 25 from doing the daily dungeons, which is what he respecs for) we have a holy/prot paladin, exc. We work together as a community to help cover the costs of their constant respecs. And dual spec would remove any need for that and thus remove community interactions that the lack of dual spec causes.
I may have missed one or two reasons but that’s what I could think of and my break is over at work, I tried to keep them short but still give enough detail for them to be understood. Hope this helps
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No, it doesn’t, because none of that is true.
What is true, is that Dual Spec will make the game better for nearly every player. Guilds will be more active, raid loggers will play the game more often. Arena will be revitalized because more people will be interested in playing more often because they won’t have to spend 500 gold a week respeccing if they want to PvE and PvP on their own time.
I’m not insulting you. I responded to your passive-aggressive, false insinuation about me. Stop pretending to be offended by the responses to your posts. I’m not your friend, quite the opposite. Get used to it.
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That’s your opinion.
So you claiming I haven’t cleared Kara wasn’t meant to be an insult to skill? Almost all of your replies have insults in them. Your backing your arguments with insults and opinions. Also I wouldn’t want to be friends with someone like you, you constantly insult people and act like you aren’t the one doing it, your either clueless to your own actions or its intentional.
Also farming gold is part of the game, you not wanting to farm gold is you not wanting to play a part of the game. That’s not an opinion, that’s fact. If you want to have a discussion I’m fine with that, but you refuse to do so by not even addressing my points and just stating “no your wrong” without any explanation, logic, facts, or examples used. I’m using the example of history as to how dual spec didn’t fix the tank shortage, how it was released in wotlk after all classes had major reworks to their baseline toolkit which made almost every class have a CC, interrupt, self heal, exc. How the content was changed from needing to CC for end game, to aoe everything down, exc.
Dual spec came in wotlk, when the game was MUCH different than tbc in both class and content design. Gone were the days of needing to use CC or pick a specific class because they had CC. Gone were the days of wanting someone with an interrupt and chosing a class based on having it because now every class had one, exc. The game had changed vastly by the time dual spec became a thing. History shows us this.
… no. You accused me of not wanting to play the game or wanting to farm gold. I’m not going to get into a petty squabble about how you’re interpreting my posts.
No. If you think my posts are insulting you, report them.
Good. You constantly lie and put words in my mouth, like right here:
Stop lying about me. I never said any of this; stop making false assumptions about me.
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I’d enjoy having Dual Spec available as a QoL, mostly for multi-role alts.
Key arguments so far have been:
“It wasn’t in TBC”
“It is a gold sink”
“#NoChanges”
Oddly, whenever folks one the other side of the argument show how Blizzard is clearly in a #SomeChanges state and has even implemented such things as Boosts, a Store-bought Mount, and Paladin Seals for both Factions, the other side of the argument then wants turn the whole discussion into a personal attack on them.
Every Dual Spec thread eventually turns into this:
OP: “Dual Spec, please!”
Naysayer: “No, because #NoChanges”
Yaysayer: “But #Somechanges!”
shows evidence
Naysayer: “Stop violating my mother!”
Exactly this, and unfortunately i can’t play enough anymore to respec when i want to pvp or run a dungeon
If anything, a “gold sink” just incentivizes players to buy gold online to support their gameplay because they don’t want to go out and farm it themselves.
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Dual Spec has a large upfront cost. The 1000g it cost in WotLK covers 10 respecs. Thats basically 2.5 months of respecs. Some players may even buy it and never actually respec that much but have it just cuz they can which removes more gold than they would have spent on respsecs so Dual spec is actually a better gold sink. additionally it will let players do the game activites they want WHEN they want rather have to wait for optimal times.
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Players already respec… so i’m not sure what your argument is here. Mages go arcane for raid and frost for pvp. This is already in the game. Addind dual spec just allows them to enjoy different parts of the game more. If anything highlighting how different specs have different strengths is an argument FOR DUAL SPEC.
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less holy paladins? you only bring 1 at the moment anyway… Also the feral druid thing doesnt make any sense. If you knew how dual spec worked you would know that. You can only use it when out of combat. That means you cant swap specs mid boss. That means warriors cant be tank spec to OT then swap to dps spec mid boss. meaning ferals would still be the BiS OT as they can tank and dps well in the same fight.
- So? #Somechanges bro. If it makes the game more fun then it should be added.
- Many players just dont farm the gold to respec and instead log off. This means less players in the world to run instances or to pvp. Dual Spec also allows healers and tanks to have farm specs. If anything dual spec will INCREASE engagement in the world.
- I have never had a community pay me to respec for pvp and Id wager a good amount of money that 95% of players have never had a community pay them to respec for pvp. so is this even a point? I mean grats on having a guild that pays certain classes to pvp but the VAST MAJORITY of guilds do NOT pay their players to be able to respec for pvp.
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Funny thing is that the Feral and Bear specs are so similar, the only thing that really differentiates them is the equipment. But the only equipment you can change in combat is your weapon and idol, so, you’re still just an OT anyway.
Point being, even if a Warrior could respec in combat, it wouldn’t do him much good because he still wouldn’t be allowed to change out anything except his weapons.
I’ve never been in a guild where anyone has approached me for funds to respec over and over again like others have suggested should be the case. Doesn’t seem tenable in a world where everyone is also saving for an epic flyer on top of trying to loot gear, enchant it, and then gem it.
Another thing is that I’m currently collecting pieces for Cat DPS in addition to tanking. That means I’m gemming and enchanting two sets of gear already. That’s not cheap. Can’t imagine having to do that and paying 50g every time I want to swap.
So instead of dual spec.
Why not just make a compromise for both arguments and make respecing free?
You’d still have to go to a trainer to swap and it would keep people from being able to swap specs in the middle of a raid etc, but people could play any side of their class they wanted without a penalty.
Like many of you have said, it isn’t a gold sink really unless your respecing 5 or 6 times a day.
Because that would essentially mean you could have every spec without any limitations. On top of dual-spec, trying to unlearn talents for either spec still costs 50g.
Oh i completely agree, but it would fix some of the arguments here about hybrid specs and such.
Also having to go back to the trainer every time would fix some of the other arguments. I believe its a change that could be implemented without breaking the game as much as dual-spec possibly could.
Since you just change specs whenever you wanted and the only deterrent would be whether or not you wanted to put in your talents again and travel to a trainer to do it.
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Definitely supporting the idea for dual speccing.
retail brains will see this post, their eyes will glaze over, and they’ll say “no care, me want save 50g” 
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