If it doesn’t, maybe they will bless us shortly with another correction.
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The last 16 years I have played Tank in PvP. Since day 1. Sorry but I play MMORPG to be a Sword and Board Tank in PvP. There is nothing better.
PvP just doesn’t make sense without Tanks. Especially in BGs where Tanks are required for big team fights, spinning flags, debuffs, FCing etc.
PvP is just better with Tanks because they are the foundation for great PvP.
The few classes that could kill tanks were heavily nerfed which pretty much negated whatever healing nerf and damage reduction nerf bear got. Sleeper is still going to kill people - it’s just going to take a few extra mauls to finish them off now - it could be a 90% nerf and people in randoms would still kill themselves on it. The big difference now is that you won’t see a druid outside of incarn living as long but they are still going to 1vX during it with frenzy spam + mauls.
Instead of random blanket nerfs, what would have solved the problem was an ICD on sleeper damage and the damage only proccing from direct damage.
An ICD on galatic guardian of at least 5 seconds
Nerfs to cobalt assembly rings (pvp)
This was only a bandaid fix and at best you’ll just see the random fotm druids quit - which is a good thing - less people to expose us cackle
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I’m all for things being closer to balance, would of been good to have the correct nerfs, too many bias people want their class / spec to stay OP.
Again- 1% of the players will be mad about it.
It’s a sacrifice they should make.
Too many self heals, too much dmg.
Now if they made them a meat shield with utilities (no dmg) I’m fine.
But honestly back in legion in Rbgs where mages or druids would be flag carrier- it was much more fun instead of tanks who are overtuned(pve ours poses)
We need more Tank participation not less so PvP can flourish and we have enough Tanks.
If you don’t do damage you aren’t a threat and you need to be a threat and have kill pressure. What is unhealthy is if Tanks are just a meat shield.
I play Prot for one reason. Todo as much damage as possible with a Shield and own it up. So much more fun than boring Dps.
Ahh the PvP expansion where we had Templates the worst thing to ever happen to PvP so the majority of the PvP community quit. Which is why Templates were removed. Lets not reference Legion thanks.
You keep trying to make this claim when it’s not even close to being true. It works about as well as saying flying was the worst thing to ever happen to the game so the majority of players quit, which is why flying was removed.
Templates were not the best design because they left no way to customize your secondary stats, but this setback was drastically offset by how accessible PVP was due to templates and that is why random BGs thrived during Legion.
RATED BGs died because RATED PLAYERS couldn’t be bothered to just play the game and felt the need to cheat their asses off and treat eachother like dirt until they all got fed up with eachother. This has NOTHING to do with Templates.
Templates could certainly have been improved by adding a Reforge system to allow players to customize their secondary loadout, but to try to claim that it was some horrific change that ended PVP participation is ridiculous.
ayo i apologize we queued like double blood dk + guardian druid in bgs the other day…
to be fair everyone in these bgs/skirms are casuals , so regardless u woulda lost to pre-made, but i did feel bad especially when we got temple of kotmogu or w/e its called lol
also u, nor devs, should form any opinions on pvp based on the result of skirm games… better coordination / players tend to change things a lot.
I make the claim because it is true. The Devs said it was true. Ion in an interview said Templates were a mistake and apologized for them. He said that they removed the RPG aspect of the game and were wrong for this type of game.
The negatives of Templates were too much and removed the entire reason why we play an RPG (gear based game). I quit Legion because of Templates and when asked why I said get rid of Templates and I’ll come back. Seems like others did that too.
Templates were a complete failure and the Devs admitted it but said hey…we needed to try them. So they did but they didn’t work out. So they removed them.
This is how it happened and is history.
That’s the same type of nonsense he said about flying as well. The people who actually enjoy playing the game know otherwise.
The people who actually enjoy playing the game, play this game because it’s an RPG (gear based game) It’s the core feature of the game. If gear doesn’t matter there is no reason to even play. Sorry it’s a deal breaker for the majority and Templates never should of happened.
Again the Devs said they wanted to try them but were a mistake. So they are never coming back since they ruin the core aspect of the game. If you like Templates play Heroes of the Storm. WoW just isn’t for you.
The vocal minority needs to stop with their bad ideas that goes against the core design of the game, Templates was one of them.
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Oh, the irony…
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The point is- people who are at a higher competitive level don’t play tanks.
They are a meme and troll spec- get rid of em.
They don’t need kill pressure- they are tanks dude 
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There have been Rank 1 Tanks, they have been played in Tournaments. We should have more options and better participation for Tanks at competitive play. Would really make PvP exciting.
Tanks have always had kill pressure in the pinnacle of their design. They are Tanks, they should hit extremely hard. Which is required for S tier competitive gameplay.
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ALl pvp is broken. Its like they dont play tyheir own game or listen to the players.
Art so why do Blizz give them PVP talents? Also every other MMO out there embraces the tank spec in PVP it’s just Blizz struggles to make them balanced.
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It getting completely destroyed doesn’t make what you say correct lmao
They look overpowering because people are focusing on them, if you ignore the tank and get your healers to heal through our low damage, everything should be fine.
But of course, if you focus the tank and die from getting nuked by the dps while the healers heal the tank … I mean, you are destined to fail and lose.
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Actually if you’re fighting a prot pally you just save a cc for the auto guardian and global them
If your defensive procs and you get globaled as a result. It’s not a very good defensive.