Team play so why mplus is forced.
Do you want a cookie? This isn’t anything special.
This I agree on.
But you are clueless. You’re the one saying mplus isn’t forced proving you are in fact clueless.
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What is it forced for? Do I need m+ to prog delves, nope, so instead of vaguely saying it’s forced why don’t you add some meat to the pot or are you incapable of adult conversations? Raids I’m assuming is what you are saying it’s forced for, but it’s crazy cause raids were around before m+ and people cleared them, weird, and to say raids are tuned to accommodate for m+ gear would be a joke, it just made it a little faster to clear the tier not easier… The raid is just as “hard” either way.
Gear./crests.
No one said anything about delves.
Because anyone that’s actually raided at a ce level doesn’t need it explained.
Thanks for confirming just how clueless you are.
The only joke is how informed you think you are.
Raids are tuned with gear acquisition from mplus. Blizzard expects you to both. Hence why they reduced the number of items that drop from raid in SL.
That’s why you cap at heroic. There’s a reason why ce guilds require mplus requirements weekly because we aren’t world first raiders and the gear makes a difference.
So again I suggest not commenting on subjects you’re clueless on.
Thank you for finally reinforcing the whole point here, I apologize that I don’t CE anymore family and work took priority, and I stopped CE right before M+ either way mythic plus is not required. You only do it to make up for the skill gap, doesn’t mean it’s necessary. Also the point to my original post was what content or level of raiding, if you want to clear at a CE level then don’t cry about having to spend more time playing the game, it takes effort and should take effort. And if you don’t have the time to put into M+ then don’t play at that level or don’t play the game. Thanks!
So you don’t have any relevant ce experience and pretty much proved my point that you’re completely clueless rofl.
Considering multiple factors like
1- mythic being tuned around having full gear from mythic plus and raid
2- raid loot was reduced to further push mplus in shadowlands.
3- not everyone is as skilled as world first raiders
4- its required by any serious ce guild.
5- its required to farm crests
No one is crying about spending more time in the game.
My original point is that you’re completely clued on the subject and you confirmed it for me.
No one was arguing CE which was my point, learn to read…, the original post was open, could have been an LFR player, mythic plus is not required, period, people in charge of guilds make it required then it’s a guild requirement, not a blizzard requirement. You could get rewarded for doing mythic plus this is true, still not required. And yes if you would read the forum, the original post was crying about having to do mythic plus and how it shouldn’t be a requirement. Also I’m pretty sure world first teams cleared mythic raid before mythic plus came out,… Weird, so was it tuned for m+?
Regardless of the validity of the OP’s point, the words mythic progression are right there.
The OP has no mythic prog this tier, another baddie crying about the game, thanks but no thanks for your input…
Aotc, and about 3 M+ done?
The irony considering OP said
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Edit Hpell beat me to it.
While I agree mplus isnt required for LFR/Normal/Heroic its already been shown twice he was saying mythic.
Actually if YOU read the original post you would see the above quote in the OP.
And you would be wrong. They both came out at the same time. Gone are the days where RWF clears it in the first 5 days
Hpell did a breakdown already
Weird you keep thinking you have a clue what you are talking about.
I would imagine if you spent as much time arguing on the forum as you did learning to play the game maybe your parses would not be trash, seems like you spend a lot of time on the floor from what I can tell. Must suck to be stuck on a boss for as long as you have been, then again I guess you can just take your frustrations out on casual forum players lmao.
It’s tuned for the ilvl blizzard expect players to have using the tools they have available to them. The first boss on mythic wasn’t mechanically complex but it still had a dps / healing check you’d have been hard pressed to beat week 1 without a bunch of hero gear from M+, as well as gilded crests to craft a weapon. And it’s only uphill from there.
Mythic plus was not out week 1
Nor was mythic raid. I was counting from then as in order to race to complete something it has to be available.
Mythic+ and Mythic Raids both came out in week 2 this season, but they will be back to starting in week 1 next time.
True, so that gave liquid around 11 days of overlap and 1 vault, so between that and limits on crests, did mythic plus help them to the point where we say raids are tuned around mythic plus? If anything by the time mythic raid is actually impacting the gen pop, they have put in enough needs to make more of a difference than the gear, it’s just compounding, instead this hunter is trying to say mythic plus is the difference and has to be done, when in reality the hunters raid team isn’t currently limited on gear.
Well liquid split raid, but yes their weapons were all crafted using currency for mythic+ earned in the first week possible, they were also able to get a baseline of 613 in every slot to save runed crests increasing their average ilvl.
And for anyone who doesn’t receive every single piece of usable loot from 4 different heroic runs on 4 separate characters, out of… 36? then the only way to reach the ilvls the raid is tuned for is mythic plus.
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100%. raid gear is ideal while m+ gear is realistic especially with very rare items. I doubt I’ll ever get the ansurek ring unless it’s from vault, hell I might not even get a heroic warpblade 
Maybe get some actual mythic kills before commenting on parses.
Seems like youre so mad youre wrong youre actually deep diving my logs.
19% wipe is being stuck? lol.
that would require me to be frustrated. Im sorry you dont like being corrected when you say something wrong.
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Because we have a requirement for four 10s every week.
Thanks for literally proving my point
most hilarious part here is probably them acting like progging on prog content is a bad thing