Just because a person does not care about the same things you do does not make them a bad person. If you were in Napoleon’s position or ppl like him, you have to make the hard decisions and have very finite time to do what you need to do to achieve your goal. Commanding armies across a continent and dealing with backstabbing politics back at your home is very brutal. They are not the politicians we have today where all they do is sit around and talk in the comfort of their offices.
edit: I am not saying he is a saint. but simply calling him a bad person in the same sentence with hitler like you did is really reaching for it.
His accusations refer to the extreme methods used to put down a ferocious uprising in Haiti at the start of the 19th century. Then known as San Domingo, the colony was considered a jewel of the French empire and to save it troops launched a campaign to kill all blacks aged over 12.
“In simple terms, Napoleon ordered the killing of as many blacks as possible in Haiti and Guadeloupe to be replaced by new, docile slaves from Africa,”
Yeah he was a good person.
You cant defend people like Napoleon or Sylvanas lol ; you look bad and sad.
When someone is bad is bad.
Plus the neighboring aristocratic nations did not like the idea of a nobody of no royal lineage, crowning themselves emperor, claiming ‘chosen by god’. Others might get that idea.
I seriously hope not because that’d be the most cliche ending possible, and it’s terrible. She’s done way too much to be redeemed.
We’re gonna be hunting her down for the third expansion now, and if it ends with her knowing and preventing something we didn’t know about, then I’m sure most people will just stop caring about lore…
I hope she is doing all this as a way to kill The Jailor/The maw, but not because she is good and she is thinking in other people.
She is saying a lot that Life is Pain, i dont think that means that Azeroth is bad and Shadowlands is good, i believe she is saying that existence is painful, and she dont want that anymore.
She jumped from Icecrown Citadel, died and ended in The Maw. When she jumped she wasn’t expecting for heaven, she was expecting nothing, she was expecting to become nothing.
I Believe she is doing all this to find a way to be erased of the creation. The Jailor and The Maw should be the place where bad souls like Sylvana go in the afterlife. I Believe she is hoping that once the Maw and The Jailor are destroyed the arbiter wont have anywhere to send her and will have no option but destroy her soul. So she will finaly have her rest.
to be fair what else would they base a panda like race off of culturally? pandas don’t exist in natural environments anywhere BUT china and the asian portions of the eastern hemisphere, just like how tigers only exist in india/korea. i’d actually be weirded out to no end if a panda started walking up to me in like baggy pants and a tank top speaking with a brooklyn accent if i’m being brutally honest.
I Believe she is hoping that once the Maw and The Jailor are destroyed the arbiter wont have anywhere to send her and will have no option but destroy her soul.
Well that’s a bit strange.
When I want oblivion I just go to bed and take a nap.
i mean it WOULD be rational, if sylvanas could actually “die” to anything other than saronite, something she literally puts herself in mortal lethal contact with by fighting Bolvar atop the ice crown citadel. she literally only has one way she can die and unless she angers literally everyone in azeroth who possesses a saronite weapon or decides to swan dive off ice crown again she has all the time in the world to like… help orphans, donate and contribute to charities, prevent wars etc so she goes to revendreth instead of the maw. nothing really “rational” about trying to cheat death when most natural forms of death and even a majority of modes of homicide are already a non-factor.
Forsaken still die, they even use a term called final death.
They arent immortal, it doesnt mean someone cant just cut her head off or incinerate her body to the point there’s barely anything left. And dont forget catastrophic phenomena like a legion invasion, a sword being stabbed in the planet, supernatural ultra powerful beings.
Arthas was trying to kill and raise everyone into undead because undead are immune to old gods and because he thought a coordinated undead army would be the only thing that would save Azeroth from the legion that would attack sooner or later.
Sargeras learned about the voidlords, then decided to literally burn the universe down and free the demons he captured to do it because a dead universe means old gods cant corrupt it points forehead
Literally both of them took the most basic, dumb and extreme solution to their problems, they really need villains with more rational reasoning instead of TIME TO KILL EVERYTHING TO SAVE EVERYONE
So Sylvanas taking the “kill everyone” approach to somehow defeat the Jailor is less dumb?
Also, Arthas wasn’t really trying to save everyone. He wanted to save Azeroth, and he probably only wanted to do that because it protected himself. He wanted to use an Undead army to do it because then he can have full control over the situation as the Lich King.
But we dont know her end game yet, we only have speculations.
And there’s a difference between a war and literally kill the entire planet’s/universe’s living population, she caused a war that killed many, not everyone, if her plan was to just kill everyone to defeat the jailor then yeah, I would consider that dumb, but 1, she didnt kill everyone and 2, we dont know her endgame.
Like I said, I would be satisfied and extremely happy if she did all that in order to gain some sort of freedom from death, as in, she had a PERSONAL goal she really wanted to achieve, and used her intellect and cunning to get to that goal, the night elf genocide means little in front of her goal and I can respect a person like that because I find the want to live without the fear of a death a logical and completely understandable reason.(Compared to the illogical and emotion based reason like Garrosh’s racism and insecurity)
Though of course that is just a theory, knowing Blizzard it will be something silly like “she did it to save us all from death” or something which again isnt illogical, just kind of a tired trope.
I think the book just wrote it as “Arthas wanted to protect Azeroth in his own twisted way” kind of deal.
LOL! Why do I still see people trying to imagine that after everything she’s done, Syl is being manipulated/forced to do everything she did or she deserves redemption/forgiveness?
Let’s stop this denial syndrome.
It was the same thing as when the devs said she would start the war and that she would go by fire in Teldrassil, with people denying and saying it would be an accident, that she was trying to save the night elves or that she was being controlled.
Syl is evil!
It’s always been since it was revived! Now just help put her to sleep without dreams so we can move on.
Yep he was one of those exceptional person of his time who broke the glass ceilings. He was short, ugly by french standards, and of common background. No one really expected him to be able to rise above it all and stand taller than most men of his time. His duel with Britain’s Lord Wellington is a very good read. Sadly both men ended their life in less glamorous circumstances.
She didn’t “turn” bad, she was ALWAYS bad. I forget if it was a quest or some out-of-game lore or something but I distinctly remember reading something in the Vanilla days that said Sylvanas secretly wanted to kill everyone with a plague, including her Horde allies. This eventually led to the Wrathgate incident which she then blamed on rogue Forsaken.
I agree with this interpretation. She knows there is no escaping her fate and the only way out is oblivion and if she has to take us all with, so be it .
or that she was being controlled.