i mean sure “maybe” she’d die if the rest of Azeroth went caputs, but the whole “decapitation” thing isn’t going to work, she’ll just move on to a another body since she’s a banshee spirit, not a regular “undead” forsaken, who are practically bound (via shadow magic/necrotic energies) to their singular old bodies. you do however have a point about death entities who can potentially soul death her, however what’s the chances she angers someone like bwansomdi who’s at that level? the light (really bad idea then that she managed to tick off every alliance paladin or priest ever) can smite spirits especially dark ones like banshees, and powerful enough warlocks/necromancers could probably destroy her spirit form or do other things to it. maybe she could end up being double crossed by one of those (the warlock/necromancer), however she’d have to actively anger a paladin and or priest and a death god (not to mention seek out a death god on the mortal plane), which means causing a war with the alliance was literally her equivalent of putting a target on her undead back. don’t anger the paladins and holy light bearers to avoid smiting? literally did the opposite of that (even anduin wants her head, and he’s the biggest pacifist out there besides cenarion tauren) , warlocks? might be an inevitable betrayal, death god/anybody with a saronite weapon? just don’t go hunting for them. too late she went straight for the jailer. none of her actions actively further her stated goal of “staying alive”, in fact quite the opposite, she has quite frankly drawn fire from virtually everyone on Azeroth who could potentially end her existence as a banshee.
Right. And in another sense, why DO they need to “reproduce?” They aren’t a separate race. They’re people who caught a zombie virus and managed to get smart again. That’s it.
It’s like surviving polio, ending up in a wheelchair and deciding to make more polio survivors in wheelchairs to continue your new “race” of paraplegics.
I hate that idea because I’m sick of redemption arcs.
Seriously, when’s the last time we’ve just had a psychopath as a villain? Sylvanas has just gone crazy. That’s it.
Also I hope that if the Jormungandr theory ends up being true, Sylvanas will end up chilling inside the stomach of a giant snake for the rest of eternity.
As long as we get lurid details about how she is continually almost completely dissolved by stomach acid with her nerve endings undamaged so that she feels every second of it…I’m good with this.
Imagine the smell she’d have to deal with.
Well her motives are still unclear. The fact that she kills Saurfang and then just flies up giving up Orgrimmar and the throne is ridiculous.
She obviously doesn’t want to be the one to end up in the Maw but it’s bound to happen if she dies for good. He has a deal with Helya and we don’t really know what’s she’s after yet. There’s a good chance she’s going to be Illidan 2.0 come Shadowlands. They’ve already set up the whole “loyalist” dialogue for it.
And they should hire some quality writers. Move Christie Golden to like Overwatch or somewhere far away from Warcraft. Her creepy obsession with Anduin and the need to make him GOOD and Sylvanas BAD is turning this story into Twilight.
Turning bad? She’s been an anti-hero since WC3:TFT which, since you obviously don’t know, is just a flavor of bad guy you get to root for.
Most evil people don’t do bad things for the sake of being bad, the world is a real big shade of grey.
Except for orcs, they are naturally psychopathic, but there’s a reason for that there entire species was created for one purpose, to kill plants. And maybe demons.
But you will find that even in the worst villains in fiction, they usually have a motivation for the things they are doing.
Lord Voldemort? Not evil for the sake of being evil-just scared of death. Very simple.
The Joker from Batman?
Used to be the embodiment of chaotic evil but we found out in the last movie, that in truth he is much more of a tragic villain that only turned bad because society treated him like crap, I mean treat people like a caged animal and that’s what you get.
Even Palpatine from Star Wars we are finding out more information, though I won’t look it up until the movie comes out.
Even in wow, demons are not pure evil, as the Burning Legion had a specific reason for wanting to destroy the universe that was justified in their minds.
So why should Sylvanas be any different?
But listen, there is one villain in wow that will always be the embodiment of pure ancient and absolute evil…murlocs.
The entire point is that the grey stuff is getting old.
Actually his plan was to destroy world souls. Kil’jaeden turned it into a personal vengeance quest
Nerzhul was a product of the Legion’s magic, and again, had a score to settle with them.
And ‘death to the living’ is any different? LOL
Sargeras learned about the voidlords and created the burning legion, what does the burning legion do? Take over and destroy worlds, it is implied they would corrupt and destroy the entire universe, not only the few world soul planets
We are talking about Arthas and the book with him does say he had a twisted way of wanting to protect azeroth, it wasnt about nerzhul
I sincerely hope they just kill her off. Shes more annoying than ann coulter.
–puts down the cup of tea–
She will just destroy Death’s machine and the undeath curse’s source, in order to bestow life and immortality to all the allies she sees deserving, creating a new “Life-Well” for her followers upon Azeroth, and condemning the rest to a damnation of eternal servitude, as it is fit (in return, this will make Azeroth herself become “fleshbound”, unlike her Titan peers, but make her consistently more powerful and eternal).
Aiming to recover what all her race was coveting since millennia ago and sharing it with her loyals without any regard to their racial origins and spotty background, becoming akin to a new ascendant goddess (she’s still undead like Eyir and the rest of the Val’kir), and on top of that destroying the curse of undeath in the process to prevent them to be risen unchecked, is just a clever plot twist with more than a decade of foreshadowing (plot twist because people are consistently fixated with her being just an evil murderer megalomaniac, so for them it would be a twist).
Sylvanas is just looking for a way to become ascendant and save everyone from the curse of mortality in all forms, just like any other elf would do (and yes, the Horde has nothing to do with her grand plan, hence her disregard about honor when she’s just to earn her ascendancy and become above all of that). She sacrificed a lot to free herself and all who is loyal to her (be it Forsaken and before the fall of the Sun Well like Nathanos – really, things were just very unsightly in Quel’thalas back in then) in order to achieve that single aim since Arthas pierced her with Frostmourne.
You think she went overboard when she burnt the CORRUPTED Teldrassil while all the people was still on top of it? Capital City was FULL with human citizens, probably with more souls than those on Teldrassil (due to the “prolific” nature of humans), and she razed it to the ground to cleanse it from demons, but she adopted all those that became undead, because she was that nice. Undead Kal’dorei was just an step to earn stronger undead allies, and with that to get an army to aid her with her new goals she pondered since she plunged herself from atop Icecrown (also, Teldrassil had it coming since the débâcle with Xavius and Fandral – Nozdormu would agree with this).
Sylvanas’ story will come full circle in Shadowlands, and it will be either epic or the entire opposite of it. At least is not as badly written as Kerrigan’s communion with a metagalactic squid. I was never a fan of Sylvanas since her presentation and special spotlight during Warcraft III, but after getting all her snippets of story together, she earned from me the right of “reasonable doubt”. Though her burden of proof is damn high – knowing all the souls hanging from her conscience – her redemption will be sweet, because she will revive every deserving body and bestow them the boon of immortality, while dethroning the usurping Arbiter and crossing her remaining T’s with the Jailer in the end.
Can’t wait for the dawn of the “Sylvanasjar” or “Windrunnersjar” or <insert Thalassian word here + jar>. At least it would be a better fate than be cast to The Maw or to the Void (StarCraft’s Void since it seems the “tentacles” are starting to creep into Warcraft’s Void). It would make “Undead Lightbound” to be a joke (sorry Calia; you are still my favourite flotsam in the middle of this sea of chaotic narrative), and turn them into potential allies for the battlefield ahead against that piece of lagan with traits of “Lux Vult” that was conspicuously left behind a piece of Horde quest-line.
And with that, I rest my case.
incorrect. go read the lore a little closer, maybe from the light of day and not the darkness of sylvanas’ lower GI.
Arthas had merged with Nerzhul as the Lich King. also way to dodge the most important thing I mentioned. Sylvanas is no different from any of the others. You like her, Just say you like her and stop being obtuse.
Common misconception: She’s always been ‘bad’, but she only recently became ‘badly written’.
What used to be the best cunning, underhanded spymaster the Horde could ask for became an idiotic brute with plans so stupid that Snidely Whiplash would call her out on it. Her newfound ‘empowered by DETH’ powers are just a random pull to rationalize her blatant mary sue garbage.
Sylvanas is misunderstood.
Just like Arthas was.
Had. Had is the word you’re looking for. They’ve had years to give her a deep and compelling story.
They could try to give her a deep and compelling story now but it honestly seems too late. Anything they provide now is going to feel forced or out of left field. Sylvanas has been written in such a way that there’s only the barest wisp of possibility to save her face.
The problem is that Blizzard only takes their characters out at the moment they need them, and fill in the story right there. There’s no lead up, there’s no foreshadowing, there’s nothing.
They’re lifeless dolls, caricatures of genuine story, that get nothing in the way of development until the final hour. When they need to be real little boys and girls it’s done poorly because real little boys and girls are real all the time not just at the climax.
I am not sure what to think regarding Sylvanas. While I don’t want more iconic characters dying (especially on the Horde) because Blizzard hardly develops new ones, her being a “just as planned” heroine feels also weird.
Would be nice to see every soul returning to Azeroth, though. But her actions as of now doesn’t paint her as good with a plan. She smirked when Delaryn was shedding tears, for instance.
What’s the need of pretending that? If she had a plan, what’s the need of burning the tree after Delaryn triggered her?
No more Horde vs Alliance.
But what if one forgives… Sylvanas?
There will be WAR!
I can see the Horde taking her back if she’s convincing enough that she did it all for them.
I can also see Sylvanas getting made “mortal” again, claim innocence and the Alliance taking her in.
Either of those two will start back up the faction wars! In this game called… World of WARcraft.
If you think she just turned bad now, you have not been paying attention to the character at all.