Again, giving her an “out” after everything she has done is more than a bit distasteful to me. Doesn’t matter if she is useful, she deserves no mercy. There are other ways to gain the information she has, or other ways to defeat the Jailer. She isn’t needed, or atleast she shouldn’t be.
I don’t care if a boulder falling from the sky turns her into a dark stain on the ground. As long as she is as dead as can be, and her plan is as shattered as she is, i’m happy.
Well Morg the writing seems to be going into giving her an out, if the writers change their minds? I’ll be incredibly surprised, but the story “seems “ pretty obvious to me.
How unfortunate. Well, I guess it will be entertaining to see how they will handle this. If they decide to try and redeem Sylvanas, then I will enjoy watching them fail. Because they will never be able to do it in a convincing or satisfying manner. And I mean never.
She’s going to get some form of out anyway. So at least in this route she gets to find out her entire reason for turning herself into Arthas was a lie; gives her an actual motive beyond young Brad Pitt to have that change of heart; and puts her entirely at the mercy of her captors until a resolution with the Jailor can be found. But, truly, the writing is pretty heavily on the wall here that she is NOT going to die in 9.1. So lets try to check off as many other things as possible within the confines of that reality.
At least they started padding in her scenes of showing doubt throughout the first part of the expac, won’t feel like a complete 180 but. . . Eh something like that takes more development in a story to pull off really well.
Side note of an observation, along with a recommendation I once read. Internet arguments tend to get a lot more heated the more often the word “you” gets used, because when opposition is framed directly at the opponent, it’s a lot easier to take that as being against the person instead of the argument. Sometimes that’s done by design, but it can get a little murky when posts read as if they’re dictating how another person should feel about a subject.
A recommendation I do is to try to use a lot of “I” words instead, even if the text gets a little redundant. “I think,” “I feel,” “my interpretation,” etc. There is the downside of making the post look a little conceited because I come off as talking about myself a lot (maybe that’s just a convenient excuse for me to do so, lol) but overall it helps minimize any possible antagonistic tone that might otherwise come off when discussing a divisive topic.
All my posts are usually done in the “i think, I feel.” Method because I only frame things from my perspective, I never try to ascribe motive to others.
Her wanting revenge against the Jailer doesn’t dampen my desire to see her dead, at all. In fact it just makes me want her even more dead, so that her revenge will go unfulfilled.
And I still don’t get why she shouldn’t just die. Thrall chops off head, and delivers it to Tyrande. A promise fulfilled, and the beginning to try and fix things, instead of blueballing the playerbase further for reasons.
And that’s fine. She can live to die another day, and get killed in 9.2, or 9.3. What she can’t do, is escape what she deserves.
Well Morg we must remember that Syl has an extensive fan base, and killing her would have repercussions in terms of people buying game time here. So blizzard will take this into consideration when it comes to story telling.
To be fair, there’s a hella ton of night elf players too and BFA didn’t exactly give them a defense against that. I assume 8.1 was meant to mollify prepatch anger but I don’t think an incomplete story of taking back what was lost could have ever covered the check Blizzard cashed.
Yeah that was rather weak for Nelfs, I think they just overestimated how that pay off would pan out? I think that’s why they have Tyrande playing a big part in Ardenweald is to try and continue to build up for some sort of nelf pay off.
I agree, I don’t think anyone who plays this game agrees that Tedlrassil wasn’t a tactful choice to make for either Sylvanas or the Night Elves and I’m sure if they knew how this one choice would have polarized their fanbase I don’t think they would have gone through with it.
But now they are pot committed and they have to see this story through.
To be fair they should’ve seen the writing on the wall when they made the narrative decision to burn teld, genocide is very much a polarizing event. If they had done the burning but had it as like Twilight hammer insurgents or old God cultists doing the burning but framing the horde for it might have been better received.
or even if they had introduced the jailer’s influence as early as Cata and we sould have seen Sylvanas building towards her eventual shift, that would have changed the tone and maybe Sylvanas’s often contradictory characterizations make sense.
We saw Bolvar fighting some unseen entity in Legion, they could have do it.
I think that because Sylvanas has always kept her motives mysterious, they continued that at the detriment of her character. There were times when she could have been more upfront about her plans, but Blizzard choose to keep us all in the dark, and that didn’t work out because it only solidified mistrust between the player and Sylvanas’s character, which I totally understand.
The jailer I believe was only ever thought up when we reached the middle of Bfa, that they never had him in their minds till that point. And yes Bolvar in legion was far different then one would remember, he acted more coldly or cruel like previous lich kings. I merely chalked that up to the ego of Arthas being trapped in the helm influencing him, but now we have the jailer.
That was literally the method Blizzard used to start the faction war in Cataclysm and it didn’t really paint the horde in a good light back then anyway.
As far as Sylvanas’s story goes, I feel a little stuck in this weird position where I don’t know what a satisfying payoff could even be at this point. Everything just fixates back to how I didn’t like that the horde got villainized yet again, or that Sylvanas’s was furthered. It’s like trying to wash off a spoiled fruit or something. Thrall and Baine trying to “make up” for what happened can’t cut it; BFA obviously can’t be retconned out, a time skip won’t work unless you kill off everybody, including the player characters. It feels like an enthusiasm dead end.
Oh trust me, I also hate seeing the horde go through the villain bat again. I play both factions and do like the horde.
And letting her walk away after all she has done would have the same effect on Allliance players. Although I would almost want to see them try. But I think they are aware of how bad the fallout would be. So they probably won’t do it.
Well I’m certain there’s going to be one or two groups of players who hate the outcome, regardless of what it may be. I’m just along for the ride and to discuss/complain about narrative choices I find interesting or distasteful.
No one is saying she walks away. I would honestly be shocked if she’s coming out of SLs alive. However, I would also be shocked if she doesn’t come out of 9.1 alive. So, the question is, what to do with her in that interim? And her being abandoned by the Jailor as just a tool who’s fulfilled its purpose, and having Thrall take her to Tyrande alive … could be a way to go. IF Tyrande is not going to be in a position to take her down herself, then she should be given the choice of what to do with her later.