I never said it was in context of Sylvanas and this comment of yours comes off really defensive.
I think it’s important to call out sexism and racism in any forum, on any topic.
Morghel is just a very angry individual, so keep that in mind.
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Good to know.
I’ve noticed a lot of these people who go over the top in the forums are from RP servers. I wonder if they know they can stop RP’ing outside of the game?
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Then what are you on about? You only ever talk about Sylvanas, so who or what were you talking about?
So do I. But somehow I doubt that you did that. Instead, I believe that you framed an opponent of yours as a racist and sexist, so that you wouldn’t have to fight their argument. That is both lazy and dishonest.
I get really pissed when dealing with people lixe luxio, who are seemingly incapable of honesty. Not gonna apologize for it, because it’s reserved for those who deserve it.
Nah dude, you’re just a angry dude, full stop. I’ve seen you verbally attack people for not agreeing with you.
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what did I ever do to you that was dishonest?
I don’t interact with you … EVER.
it’s hard not to talk about Sylvanas right now because she’s the main antagonist of this expansion. If just talking about her is enough to ruffle your feathers, maybe stay away from the forums until after Shadowlands is over?
God can you imagine people complaining about people taking about Arthas in WoLK? because that’s the level of nonsense you are bringing right now. This thread is about Sylvanas AS A RAID BOSS.
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He had the potential to be the best warchief. Anyone could be a good warchief, but Garrosh was special.
Vol’jin might have a chance to be a good warchief, but Garrosh had more potential.
She could have led the horde well. However, this was not the case as they were only using the Horde as a means to an end.
I don’t want to disappoint her, but she never had the potential to be the best warchief. That doesn’t suit her and should never have happened. In Garrosh, however, the potential was clearly not in Sylvanas.
Only the actions were the same in both the MoP and the BfA.
It is sad.
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A few times yea. Never against anyone like Sarm or Droite, or anyone who isn’t downright insufferable at times. But unfortunately this forum draws all kinds of people, not just the good kind. I guess i’m somewhat in the middle.
When you said I needed a psych evaluation, for one. That, or you were just a knob.
I have no problem talking about her. But you must understand that I don’t care about her at all, beyond smashing her head into the ground and yeet her soul into eternal damnation. I don’t care at all about her motivations, because to me they don’t excuse her actions at all. That’s it.
I treat her as a villain to be crushed, and as someone who has run from their fate for far too long. Someone who deserves worse than my mind can conjure up. A truly despicable being, just like Arthas.
you have a reputation as being an angry person who attacks anyone who disagrees with you.
I was being honest when I told you, you need an evaluation. Normal people don’t get this angry over a fictional character, unless they are projecting.
Do you know what psychological projection is? you should look it up.
You are not mad at me personally, you lash out at every single Sylvanas fan because you are projecting on them.
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I wonder what my reputation is on the forums 
not bad I would say now
And i’m sure this isn’t just you fronting your opinion as fact, again. Not at all.
And you need to lay off with the ad hominem. You are allways the same, and it’s frankly not fun to have a discussion with you when you are like this.
I’m angry because I want to see Sylvanas dead? Really dude?
Yes, i’m witnessing it right now, unfortunately.
I’d be glad to discuss things further, when you stop with the ad hominem.
lol I hope it’s decent, i try my best to respect others points of views even if I disagree with them vehemently.
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I don’t know you very well, but I enjoyed our discussions and I would like to continue to talk with you about Arthas and Sylvanas could both be redeemed.
I certainly didn’t feel like you were disrespecting me and I appreciate that.
I’m not against discourse. I appreciate other people’s PoV as well. I just don’t like to be attacked and called a simp just for liking a character, and thinking she’s justified.
I’ve enjoyed talking to you as well, but as much as I desire an arthas redemption I’ve come to accept it’s only a pipe dream for my favorite character. Which is sad since I enjoyed his story when I played wc3 as a kid, but with Danasuer confirming that Arthas “has a choice” with what he did as a death knight just. . . Made no sense to me, it ignores wc3 and the lore it gave on Arthas’ situation at the time. Oh well.
Plus seeing how Nerzhul is being treated in the raid? Yeah nothing positive will happen for Arthas.
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As a note, aren’t a lot of issues “solved” from so many competing sides of the fanbase if Sylvie is just captured?
Tyrande can have a good showing against Sylvie and the forces of the Maw in Ard; but overstrains herself. Thrall and Jaina then are with us for the battle against Sylvie, and Sylvie is captured ALIVE and brought back to Tyrande (fulfilling Thrall’s Oath to Tyrande). Sylvie succeeds in ensuring the Jailor succeeds, but like Denathrius she gets “arrowed” in his Quiver (with or without some important truths revealed about her initial trip to the Maw). Thus putting her on a prospective revenge track AND making her a frustratingly invaluable asset in: A) Rescuing Anduin (denying the Jailor his weapon); and B) Figuring out his grand ambitions.
I feel like this checks a lot of boxes off, and places Sylvie’s life in the hands of Tyrande for the time being post 9.1. It also gives a reasonable motive for her to actually stick around (and not just have her head cleaved off); and even opens up “maybe” a redemptive path for her (if her initial trip to the Maw after ICC really was just a Lie manufactured by the Jailor and her Primes to push her in directions convenient for him). Thus, kicking the can of her “punishments” or “consequences” down the road until the Jailor is dealt with.
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It might be presumpteous of me, but I don’t think a lot of Alliance players want Sylvanas to be captured, when she could instead just die. Her surviving would just leave the door open for something truly disgusting, that being
Why? Why let her stick around, so that she can have revenge against the Jailer or whatever? She certainly doesn’t deserve it, after everything she has done.
that line Danuser said made sense to me, because 1) they set the expectations at Garrosh’s trial there are only a select few beings that are evil enough to not deserve a redemption, those people are the people who have chosen to destory hope to the point where they threaten all life. 2) in the Epilogue of Arthas Rise of the Lich King, they showed Arthas’s dream where he kills the boy, a personification of his own humanity and hope. (That is paralled in Shadowlands by Sylvanas turning Anduin)
Arthas literally killed his own hope and therefore by the contsruct of WoW’s morality he is undeserving of redemption., the same can be argued of Sylvanas turning Anduin as the breaking point of her losing hope and crossing a threshold of point of no return.
BUT
Sylvanas witnessed Arthas as a small boy being tortured in the maw when she threw herself off ICC, and she felt pity for him, because she realized that Arthas as the Lich King was heavily manipulated by the jailer. Arthas’s choice, then becomes heavily influenced by the Jailer’s coercion.
If Arthas didn’t make the choice via unrestricted free will, he didn’t make the choice with free will. Same with Sylvanas choice to join the Jailer in the first place. It wasn’t free will, it was coersion. There was no other choice but serve or be made to serve and that’s how the narrative can redeem them both.
The Jailer is the real villain to BOTH Arthas and Sylvanas. And wouldn’t it be weird and cathartic to see them both team up to defeat the Jailer? It could break the Cycle of Hatred and it would be ‘on theme’ for breaking past cycles, laid down in BfA.
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Because she would have insight into the Jailor’s plans as well as prospectively how to free Anduin? If she had motive to turn on him? Also, as things are shaping up … are you ready to give Thrall and Jaina the kill? Because they are going to be the ones who get it.
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Well to be fair when Danasuer said “Arthas has a choice” with what he did as a DK my thought went to “What choice does one truly have when they’re soul, the thing that gives one pause to engaging in terrible acts is missing.” Like you said in arthas we have him kill the last remnants of his humanity, the last thing that kept him from fully committing to the evil that held him. Yet when we defeat him in icecrown it seemed like he had finally awoken for the first time in awhile, his nightmare having been ended.
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