Yeah if Tyrande doesn’t get to kill her, she’s at least should have final say on what is done with her. Even going so far as to have the wardens imprison her if need be.
Plus, I REALLY don’t want a repeat of WoD Garrosh. Just have the Jailor bail on her now that her usefulness has been fulfilled at the end of raid, and Thrall/Jaina capture her. Allowing Thrall to pull a repeated of Sira, and fulfill his end of his oath. I would prefer Sylvanas not return from the SLs with us, but there is a pretty sizable amount of time between 9.1 and the end of this story I would assume.
Off topic, I still can’t get over how dirty they’re doing Ner’zhul in the afterlife.
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What if Blizzard masterfully sets up Sylvanas on her redemption and just as she’s on the apex of it, Tyrande comes in at the final hour and just offs her right there?
Okay okay I don’t think that would happen at all, but it’s all kinds of hilarious to really think about.
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That would be such a funny thing tbh, Idk of doing that counts as good story telling but I laughed at the idea of Syl like about to have a group hug after helping us beat the jailer, then tyrande decapitates her.
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“My friends… yes, friends! We’ve done it!”
starts ascending to a golden high elf
“It’s done now! SHADOWLANDS IS FRE- AAAUGH.” Tyrande moment
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Tyrande: “oh no you don’t!”
Moon blasts Syl to oblivion.
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I feel like they’ve long since forgotten the story they wrote for him. The man who had his faith and people’s health exploited against him, resulting in a horrific mistake. But by the time he realized the truth of actions, it was too late to stop the consequences of it. With his grief and desperation to atone driving him to madness; with the aid of the skull of the very same apprentice that destroyed him to help get him there.
At this point, I just want to put the guy out of his misery. Whatever’s left of him.
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I’d rather save him and actually reunite him with his wife, he deserves that much. Even if revendreth would say other wise.
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I think he’s too far gone. The Damage Gul’dan and the Nathrezim did to his mind after the 2nd War … I would wager the thing we fight in this raid is about all that remains of Ner’zhul. There is likely going to be very little left of the Elder Shaman of before the 1st War.
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Oh don’t forget Ner’zhul wasn’t gone nor super insane, he still could scheme effectively, chronicle’s states that Arthas broke any last sense of sanity the shaman had by using his guilt to destroy his mind.
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The problem is they said Garrosh is beyond redemption… and yet send him to Revendreth, aka Purgatory aka Atonement Land™ where the end result is Cosmological Redemption™.
Which I am fine with! I’m Catholic and I believe 99.99% of the world will go to Purgatory, and Garrosh’s evil is uniquely a product of everyone around him failing him, abandoning him, and then Old God woo woo magic to boot.
But the corollary issue is Garrosh is described by the dev team as Orc Hitler. They literally based his trial on the Nuremberg Trials.
Is Arthas and Sylvanas worse than Orc Hitler? Well, no. Can’t say that.
UNLESS they tie Revendreth to remorse/regret. Did Garrosh regret who he became at the moment of his death? Yes, I think so.
Did Arthas regret who he became at the moment of his death? Yes, we have a cinematic thoroughly confirming it.
Did Sylvanas regret who she became at the moment of her first death? Nothing to regret, she went to a Good Place. The second death, her suicide? No, she went to the Maw. Third death, with the headshot? Presumably not. When we kill her now, will she regret?
Yes. We see regret in the Anduin cinematics.
I think “Choosing/Free Will” is part of who gets to Revendreth, but I think it makes more sense if Revendreth is tied to regret/guilt foremost.
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Didn’t know Catholics believed a high percentage of souls going to purgatory, I’m just Protestant so my religious beliefs diverge from the Catholic one. But I do think regret does play a part in it on who goes to revendreth.
The problem is Blizzard is not following a Catholic framework for thier concept of the Afterlife.
If the Light were involved in Revendreth then it would actually be more like Catholic purgatory centered around repentance but the Light has been locked out. I wonder if this choice was intentional.
At this time Revendreth is not actually about atonement or repentance as much as it’s into torture for sport and entertainment. Revendreth is a Faustian hellscape more than a Catholic one.
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Lol it’s a theological debate, but Catholicism ranges from Universalists (100% of the world is sent to Purgatory) to Hellfireists (vast majority goes to Hell). I lean to the former but not at 100%, some folks def are beyond forgiveness because they themselves simply do not regret their actions or desire it.
Tying it purely to free will also goes into the issue of subjectivity of cosmic forces; by all accounts, Lord Stormsong thinks he is doing Good and saving Azeroth lol
I mean.
*gestures to Cardinal Virtues in Bastion *
*gestures to Confession and Seven Deadly Sins in Revendreth *
*gestures to how Primus is translated to Prelate in most Romance languages *
Aren’t they? With some variations, sure, but as far as what theological concepts they are plaigiarizing borrowing from, it’s mostly Catholicism.
Nah, all the soteriology of Purgatory is there, the “Light” doesn’t have to be essential to it.
Revendreth takes the guilty sinners, forces them to Confess their sins to let go of their guilt, lessening the burden of sin on their soul, and then get a Ritual of Absolution where they are judged to the Maw, back to the Arbiter, or Sired to become a Venthyr.
It’s just Catholic Vampires.
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Light is another cosmic force, it has no ability to dictate the souls of mortals for it is not its domain.
Wouldn’t mind having a theological discussion with you lol
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Baal is very intelligent and well read, it always a pleasure to debate with him.
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lol well it wouldn’t be much of a debate, more like an actual discussion about the Catholic version of crisis Christianity.
I replied to you above btw! You responded here before I edited the comment lol
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