Uh huh - and can you vouch for the other participants of this unsupported trade - where did their gold come from?
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These kinds of trades and deals I would stay far away from. Like others have said there is a chance you trades with a gold seller. If not someone who had possibly purchased gold, Either way since you do not know where it came from, Stay away from it.
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There’s absolutely zero reason for me to buy gold and I suspect Blizzard wishes there were more players like me. I can deal with items I find throughout the world and I’ve done this since the early days.
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Cant you buy tokens in sod.
Retail and WLK classic only
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Ah ok. Fair point.
It’s similar to “I didn’t know the TV’s being sold out of a van in the alley were stolen.” In that case the police will be taking the stolen property you received even if it was legitimately unknowingly. I remember a case where a rental game console was stolen from a game store, and turned up at the pawn shop. He went down and reclaimed it with proof it was his. The person that sold it there was not the one that stole it, but they still had to pay the pawn shop back.
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Kind of an insane argument, imo. It’s impossible for me to know everyone’s background in a MMO economy.
It’s extremely easy for Blizzard to tell that I did not engage in RMT in these trades. If they take the position that the gold was illicit then fine, whatever, zap the gold I guess, but it’s insane to lock me out of my account for 2 weeks for engaging in something NOT AGAINST THE TOS.
If they want to make it against TOS then they should do that so that people like me who follow the rules are not scooped up in this.
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To not put too much of a fine point on the matter:
Blizzard can’t really turn a blind eye to something like this as, on either end, there could be easily ill gotten gold being moved and called ‘Server gold trade’. Much like the GPKD, they can’t really ignore the fact large sums of gold is being moved about and tracking where and how often X person get gold, move gold, how often from Y or Z, etc.
I can’t speak about your cast, but it’d be a good idea to avoid this kind of thing going forward.
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Correct. That’s why you should stick to supported transactions, like the trade window or the auction house.
Well, you did. Whether it was your intention or not, whether you were aware or not, you are part of the chain and you participated.
RMT is very much against the ToS.
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Yet they are trying to fight the gold sellers. So if you end up trading gold it can come to bite you. Yes you can not know everyones background and that is more of a reason to stay away from things like this.
Even if you did not buy the gold but you get traded stolen gold. Well you just put yourself in a real pickle. They will go after you at that point.
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Trading gold with someone who got their gold in an illicit way is against the TOS. That’s why trading with an unknown person who you have no idea how they got their gold is a bad idea. That’s why the transaction is unsupported.
The point of these account actions is to make people stop giving their business to third party gold sellers, scammers and account thieves indirectly, unwittingly serving as a gold laundering service just because they indiscriminately took up an offer without looking at who they were dealing with. The point is supposed to make you be more careful about the people you deal with and the services that they provide.
Next time see if you can have a friend, someone trusted, or someone you know do a trade for you like that instead.
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Obviously yelling into the void here, but if they take that approach they should simply make it against the TOS. It’s asinine to take an approach that they will ban you for acting entirely within the game realm but not put that explicitly as an item in the TOS.
I did utilize the trade window. I can completely udnerstand Blizz taking a point that this is an unsupported transaction and they can’t help you if you, the rules conforming player, are scammed, but it’s insane to say that me trading gold-for-gold is engaging in RMT.
Under that logic, any gold ever farmed by a bot in BRD that has made it’s way around the economy is engaging in RMT. Hope you never bought a farmed consume on the AH, that’s engaging in RMT. Insane argument.
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Yes, that is true. If someone finds themselves a recipient of it too often, esp in quantity, they are going to end up penalized.
Participating in unsupported activities that are rife with fraud and ill gotten gold, tends to have risks. The risk of getting an account action is a big one.
Just like when someone puts up a grey wolf liver and it sells for 200k. While the AH is supported, something too good to be true is obvious gold moving and tends to get flagged.
Kind of like hanging out in a dark alley dealing with those shady goblin brokers. Someday you find out the TV they are selling you is stolen and the cops punish you for having stolen goods.
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Yet is it against the tos! Possibly might be at some point. You could have a friend who you know and trust and this would never hit you. But with someone you do not know this is something to be avoided at all costs.
Like buying a car radio from someone in a supermarket parking lot. Yeah you might get a good deal but you also might be buying a stolen radio and could end up in trouble for that.
Sure you did not do anything wrong but look at it from the eye’s of blizzard. This could end up being a RMT trying to make it look like a gold trade. Plus they are also fighting the gold scammers who will use things like this to launder their stolen gold. The gold they get from you is perfectly legit but theirs not so much.
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Your analogy is terrible. If you buy something the seller didn’t have title to the worst that happens is that you can be out the gold and the stolen good is reclaimed. If blizz just took the gold and said “sorry, that’s botted, tough luck” then that’s fine.
Banning the account for 2 weeks for the person who is completely ignorant with zero ability to tell if the person they’re trading with somehow acquired that gold illicitly is insane.
Being against TOS is != to being unsupported. RMT is against TOS. Realm swap gold is unsupported. If they’re going to take this action, then realm swap gold trades should be made against TOS so that people who actually want to follow the rules and not get banned can do so.
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You’ll want to use the in-game suggestion feature or post in one of the General forums to provide that feedback then.
Unfortunately, my bet is that most people are not going to fall for people being “ignorant”. If you’re trading gold with a friend or family member, it’s allowed (but unsupported). If you do that with a complete stranger where you have no clue where that gold came from…it’s a HUGE risk you take with that unsupported transaction.
I would argue that the people who do this know that there’s a chance that gold is dirty. But, maybe I’m just not naive enough to believe a complete stranger is going to “trade” gold with me out of the goodness of their heart.
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But you see, in your haste to participate in swapping gold across realms, you participated in RMT, which as you said, is against the rules.
That’s a fine suggestion for the General forum. But if you’re going to participate in shady unsupported means, don’t be surprised when they get tired of it and start punishing.
Again, we understand you can’t know where the other person got their gold. However, that is not an acceptable excuse. It’s a warning to not engage in these types of transactions, due to the risks involved. It’s not for you to think “oh, if I get nailed, I’ll just use it as an excuse to wiggle out of it.”
Same thing with people who saw the warning that GDKP’s will be banned in P2. Some took it as a sign to do as many as possible to amass as much gold as they can. That’s the thinking which gets players on the wrong end.
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The thing is, words have meaning. See, “real money” means something like US dollars. Involving that in the transaction. Now you see, this is where it get’s tricky, what I did was trade… checks notes gold for gold.
Now I know this is advanced english and economics for many, but the fact that the transaction did not involve any “real money” (for reference, this is what the RM stands for in RMT), means that the transaction was in fact, NOT, RMT.
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Everyone here know exactly how RMT works, as well as how RMT gold is moved in games. People here are also pretty well versed in the methods used to hide RMT transactions and mask them. Including using realm transfers, char transfers, AH sales, GDKP style groups, etc.
Your sarcasm is not going to get you far here.
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