Survival should be able to use Exotics as well

Classes Hunter
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the concept of exotics should go away in favor of more taming books.
i want to use my golden worm from vanilla again.

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As it so happens, I got to experience using an ‘exotic’ as Survival for a bit due to a bugged tame from Shadowlands that decided to skip Dragonflight and reappeared in my Call Pet list in TWW for me. It didn’t even have any Family or even Tenacity spec skills, just basic Claw or Bite. And it was a ‘phantom’ pet that still took up an active slot even though it doesn’t appear in the Stable’s interface and caused issues, so I decided to release it. If it could behave like a regular Tenacity pet at least, I’d have kept it.

https://imgur.com/S3xhRgO
https:// imgur.com/LUFUecB

It did however look kickass on the Warband menu:
https://imgur.com/bKSrnXH

Anyway my main take is that there’s lot of visually striking beasts even among the ‘regular’ families so having exotics isn’t a super plus except that having a Spirit Beast for raiding would be simply optimal. To me the class fantasy would be more about TRAINING our beast, so I’d just want to have pet spec trees back, or heck, just being able to CHOOSE the spec of our pet regardless of family. That way all Hunters will be able to actually use ANY pet that they feel fits their fantasy or visual best.

And I wouldn’t even say in the class fantasy sense that BMs are strictly the ones ‘closest’ to their beast. With taming Sul’raka, sure I ‘hunted’ her tracks, Flared and Freeze Trapped, just like I did before for one of the Quilens back in MoP. Pretty boring hunt. Now the questline for the thorn-laden beasts tho, with you ritually killing and resurrecting a beast in the Emerald dream who longs for the physical world so much it’s like a ‘thorn curse’ on them, to the point it’s is willing to ‘die’ and join you in a wicker body just to experience what ‘living’ feels like? Absolute cinema. Don’t need an exotic for that.

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Back then, I would’ve said exotic pets are BMs unique thing, and that it should stay locked to BM Hunters only, but because of how gutted Hunter pets are now, I don’t really think it’s necessary to lock exotic pets to BM.

I’d say Blood Beasts, Undeads, Cloud Serpents, and Mechanical pets are more “exotic” than your normal “exotic” BM pets, but every Hunter can tame them. :dracthyr_shrug:

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Beastmastery should have been made into the melee spec and survival should have been something completely different on its own without sharing kill command. The developers at blizzard literally have no clue what they’re doing. Dual wielding hunters would have been freaking amazing
 just like Rexxar.

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ranged with combo points? that reminds me of RIFT lol marks there was fun

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I think Hunter having the option to dual wield agility axes as throwing weapons would be cool. Similar to how GW2 Ranger pulled it off. Troll npc in game already throw axes so it isn’t a stretch. would be wonky to animate like Cobra Shot, Explosive, Volley etc

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Yeah nah, exotic pets should be BM only. SV already got KC from BM and now you want to take our cool and unique pets. They make BM unique in that way.

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Y’all act like kill command is some high profile ability. Know what we don’t see? Survival hunters crying that explosive shot is now a generic every hunter ability or how both specs stole killshot from marks.
You still have exclusive barbed shot and cobra shot. Ironically two things that should be marks or survival abilities.

BM has bigger problems than exotics or this nothing burger of kill command. Like having a grand total of 2 attacks to press in combat. Just press kill command and barbed shot2win, direbeast on cooldown. Anything else is a bonus

But this isn’t about the shortcomings of BM, make a new thread where you won’t receive any support because for some reason people like the 3 button spec.

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This made me laugh. It’s almost embarrassing the number of pets that appear.

However I have to side with the dwarf.

No

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Have also look at that Exotics have more abilities than makes them superior over normal, which would mean every Hunter would have two have same pets.

Every Hunter would need to tame a Clefthoof for soloing. Every Hunter would need to tame a Spirit Beast.

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The spirit beast heal is not as good as everyone is making it out to be. It got nerfed to oblivion years ago. Max level we’re pushing 5mil hp and it’s not even a 6 figure heal, less than 1% of our self healing. For anything but high tier delves/PvP pet families are purely cosmetic after deciding if you need lust or not

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I once advocated for introducing the following talent(s) into the class tree:

Survival would see:

Exotic Training
You are able to tame exotic beasts.

Marksmanship would see:

Lone Wolf
You deal 5% increased damage if you do not have an active pet.

Beastmastery would see:

Animal Companion
You additionally summon one pet from your stable while you have an active pet. This pet will obey your Kill Command but cannot use its pet family abilities.

All 3 talents would occupy the same spot on the hunter class tree.

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Yeah nah mate. Keep exotic pets exclusive to BM. And lets be honest here for a second. BM is more then the fabled 3 button spec of awesomeness everyone claims it is.

When its all said and done though. BM will be the only class that has the exclusive access to exotic pets. Which is just fine with me.

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thats all anyone does anyway so i don’t understand the complaint

pve wants either a scalehide or depending on the content you’re doing something with mw
pvp wants an undead cunning pet

literally the argument against it i see is:

“you took my only food! now i’m gonna STAAAAAAAAARVE
”

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Spirit Beast provide:

Endurance Training
5% increased maximum health

Fortitude of the Bear
Increase the maximum health of you and your pet by 20% for 10 sec, and instantly heals you for that amount.

Spirit Pulse
Removes 1 Disease, Magic, and Poison effect from itself.

Spirit Mend
Heals the current friendly target for [0 + ((Ranged attack power * 0.6) * 1)] plus an additional [0 + ((Ranged attack power * 0.6) * .66) * (5)] over 10 sec.

All these abilities add up to higher survivability in raids. These make Spirit Beast more desirable than any normal pet.

Clefthoof has:

Predator’s Thirst
You and your pet gain 4% Leech.

Primal Rage
Increases haste by 30% for all party and raid members for 40 sec.

Thick Hide
When falling below 40% health, the Clefthoof’s skin will thicken, granting 60% reduced incoming damage for 15 sec.

Blood of the Rhino
The Clefthoof has 10% additional armor and increases the effectiveness of healing received by 20%.

These abilities make any other pet weaker in comparison.

Either more than just exotic pets would need access to these abilities, or make pets just appearances and let Hunters pick their abilities.

If you throw in exotics than there’s no purpose to choose from the other families other than just cosmetics. Your not going to get a Scalehide when Clefthoof has better tanking. The change would limit the need for more than just Spirit Beast, Clefthoof, and undead Raptor. As those would cover all the areas of content and give you the best utility.

Pet system would need a rework by opening exotic pets to everyone.

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any tenacity pet

any tenacity pet

any ferocity pet

any ferocity pet

Literally half of the ones you included they already have access to lol

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Those combined with the exotic abilities puts them a head of normal. I included all them to show how each extra ability adds just more utility. A normal Ferocity pet has Predator Thirst, add Blood of the Rhino with that and Clefthooves are unstopped to just a Wolf. Then the question is why take any normal Ferocity pet over a almost unkillable pet other than just the looks?

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Anyone remember when Blizz decided to try making SV a melee hunter spec? I rank this idea on the same tier as that idea, as in trash tier.

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Rarely applicable anywhere

Logged on to give you exact numbers. I have 6216k hp, spirit mend is healing 37,494 plus 16,122 a sec over 10sec on a 30sec CD. That is not coming anywhere close to making or breaking your survivability anywhere

There’s a large amount of families that have defensive passive procs on par with this

I’ll give you credit for this, it was actually noticeable running T11 Delves but it’s just a quality of life, having this pet wasn’t a gate keep to high delves

Because for 99% of the content pets are just going to be cosmetic and the 1% still isn’t going to put you at a severe disadvantage for not using the min-max pet. Nothing is balanced with pet family or exotic vs non-exotic in mind

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I do and i quiet enjoy it. It brings a nice flavor to hunter that was missing.
And i personally hope they do the opposite with rogue and turn one if their mandatory dagger specs into a ranged spec.
:grin:

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