I hate to be the one to tell you this but hunters have had melee abilities since classic bro.
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yup we know. we been here since beta. but here is something you didnt know. it was because there used to be a dead zone for hunters. where if an enemy player or mob got to close in on you then you could not used your ranged abilities. theses melee abilities you speak of were only there to hit for some small damage and disengage out. mainly a quick raptor strike and a wing clip.
nice attempt at trying to be smart but we are real og hunters that know the class inside and out and whats best for the class.
you can go back and sit in your corner now while we try to shakes blizzards head straight about whats best for the class. later.
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Yeah im well aware of that stuff dude. Your pleas arent reaching anyone as devs arent exactly present on this forum. Even less likely to listen to a goober like you who cant critique something they dont like without throwing fifty insults at it. Also really sure you know it inside and out posting on your level 27. Im not one to armory shame but i have a feeling your opinion really isnt worth more than anyone elses.
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I always find it ironic when the rsv only derps come into msv threads and try to cite things about old incarnations of surv as only ranged ,etc. But in the vanilla wow, the survival tree had melee combat talents with the intent giving surv players melee combat efficiency.
Granted I joined in cata but playing hunter in classic has really opened my eyes to how silly a lot of these posters claims are. Theyre very emotional about a wod spec i guess.
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This is false. Melee talents were there for getting back to range, or to briefly punish someone with a chonky RS crit and then GTFO. Never was there a time prior to MSV that staying in melee range was beneficial, let alone encouraged. I’m indifferent to MSV at this point, but the MSV stans need to pull their heads out of their revisionist history with this talking point. It just isn’t true.
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this toon is older than you and your entires guilds accounts combined. this toon was my main up until bc ended. then i turned him into my level 70 twink. would you like for me to explain in detail the meaning of all that for you. anyway your thoughts on the hunter class are pointless words of drivel. let the real hunters continue to guide blizzard to success because the ones that took over obviously failed but the rest of us og’s can help them if they can swallow their pride long enough to listen.
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Let me explain to you slowly so you can understand.
Beast master as the name suggest someone who controls beast. Someone who uses beasts or companions to do his dirty work
Marksman someone who uses ranged weapons to snipe down foes or pray from long distance without engaging in combat
Survival person who survives in jars environment by using minimal l resources. Uses handcrafted traps to hunt food, hand made weapon for defense and 90% of time that weapon is handmade spear.
So you definition and vision of specs as mummify as you claim you have years of experience, it’s kinda blend and doesn’t bring some good arguments.
You have two specs to play with if you can’t play melee class, so hating on the third one for personal respawns will just make you as a troll like it did to Beppels.
Beastmaster was the animal companion spec prior to msv stealing that theme from them in legion.
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Ur weird dude
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That’s true. But as a BM all your damage is coming from your pet. While survival damage is shared.
As well as BM you don’t have to be close to target , as a survival you have fight side by side with your pet.
I still don’t get why they gave us Kill command, it does fit class fantasy as much we flanking strike does.
blizzard definition. not mine. before you jump on here rambling clueless information why dont you look up beastlord darmac and rexxar. BOTH BEAST MASTER MELEE HUNTERS.
please research before you make nonsense spew from your chops.
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I’m giving your definition of words what they’re mean. True that blizzard and some chronicles called him beast master but then they realized he is not beast master. He has only his friend Misha who fights with him.
And don’t give me about dramac. He was just presented like that because boss can’t just use ranged weapons. They gave him melee weapon so there are actual mechanics. Dramas has zero lore just some raid description. You need better sources buddy
but the entire definition of beast master is that you are a master of beasts. you fight SIDE BY SIDE in MELEE. SIDE BY SIDE. you have your make shift axe to hack on the back of mobs while your pet holds threat and attacks for you. to distract. while you call commands to your pet. cause you know. you are a BEAST MASTER. you are wild. 1 with the beast.
survival on the other hand you are a trapper. a master with make shift RANGED WEAPONS and poisons. the 5.4 iteration of ranged survival was perfect. it had its own identity. a toggle trap launcher with explosive traps, snake traps, ice traps and freezing traps. serpent sting with an aoe serpent spread. explosive shot. it all came together as a blissful spec.
the current iteration of a melee survival hunter is a joke. it is a wannabe engineer class. beyond joke. there is nothing survival about the current fantasy of melee survival. its lost in the woods. cannot be found. a joke just like everyone defending it.
i want what is best for this game and especially every class and specifically the hunter class. and the current melee iteration of survival is a stain on the class. it has no identity, it has no fantasy and without a 1000% increase in damage buffs it is a playless class.
and if you cannot see that then i feel for you.
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Even though we had a lot of melee abilities back in vanilla, hunters who solely used melee were called a name - that looking back was not very nice.
And yes, even though 31 point SV talent was melee most hunters who solely used melee would have more success as BM.
With that being said we’re very close to patch and I feel like this quote is what matters at this point.
Msv is here to stay, at least for DF. Let’s at least make the spec not suck for those of us that enjoy it.
Why is SS a 30 point talent? If the devs want us to melee give us the tools to stay in melee range. Wars have healing so high on ptr that we wouldn’t stand a chance in rated content.
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Why? It’s predominantly utility, and that kind of utility, if useful to every spec, tends to be available to every spec.
I’d like for SV to have some further synergy with sabotage and layered damage, but having Steel Trap be in the general tree makes sense.
70% was enough to make it most played M+ spec between hunters. So it’s not 1000% but here you’re right. Current version of SV is blend and devs have no idea should this spec focus around pet, or around spear, or around bombs.
On funny note , as someone who survives in nature what are you chances that you will manage to craft a ranged weapon, without going to general dollar store ? Making a rope that can be used for bows it’s really difficult if you don’t have actually rope. There is couple plants that could give a temporary solution if you separate the fibers or strings out of stamp, but they are mostly used for general use and are not strong with constant pulling. Only way to make proper bow string is animal skin, animal fur mostly sheep, and horse hair from tail. Other than that if you don’t have good string your ranged weapon is not reliable.
On the other hand making basic survival kit include knife, or axe if you buy it in store. And making a spear , axe or knife out of stone is relatively easy. Which is usually done when people do Survival challenges if they didn’t brought something.
Bow is advanced tool. And for me I consider beast master someone who can control multiple animals. Fantasy wise. Someone who can directly control them so they do his biding. Someone who can do that doesn’t need to get close to his opponent. Beast will do their thing.
And in all honest you like my comment or not, Dragonflight talents are pushing me away form survival for the first time ever playing wow, and I would rather have it as ranged survival from MoP then this wanna be something.
well as a native indian canadian i can tell you that we make our own bows and sell them at powwows. my people have survived in the wild with ranged weapons to hunt for thousands of years. we use various types of wood, animal bones, hides and cartilage.
bombs on the other hand. i have never heard of any of my ancestors hunt with bombs let alone throwing them at their feet in a close combat or hunt. so deeeeeeebunked.
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Didn’t he already put in his comment how it could be made with animal hair, so was the native Indian flex necessary?
yes it was. it was used to backup my claims that i know what i am talking about.
why are you trying to side track the point of this thread.