Bold text - I am the complete opposite. I’ve actually started playing retail more now that I can fly.
Italics/Bold - I would like to know how you’re sure about this. 
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I wish I felt the same way, but I’ve had to shuffle on over to classic; which I love and I’m having an amazing time playing, but it just shouldn’t have been necessary. Surely plenty of those players would like to be able to enjoy the future of the game.
There’s a bunch of class and combat-related changed that I miss having, and it’s a matter of say, having to give up 20 amazing “improvements” in order to shed 40 horrible ones. Purely subjective.
because I was having so much fun while everyone else was here in the forum calling BfA “the worst xpac ever/worse than WoD”. Then the addition of flying made it so that I personally could no longer experience the game in the ways that I was enjoying for the first 6-8 months, as I predicted would be the case 10+ months ago. I’m not special, so I’d bet good money that there’s plenty of players out there with similar or identical preferences, whose BfA experience was negatively impacted. (and WoW experience in general by certain quality of life improvements).
It’s all just speculation, and obviously some people love this stuff while others hate it; otherwise classic wouldn’t exist, and threads like this wouldn’t have been popping up for years.
Sures theres need when youre making an unsupported assertion.
theres a LOT of players who DO like the changes otherwise theyd ALL have left retail for classic. Thats pretty easy math there. No poll required.
and its your choice. dont like flying, dont fly. That doesnt mean one gets to tell others , or the company, how the game must be.
Tons of other online games dont have flight. ESO doesnt. go play that if flight is that annoying. Simple.
fantastic! then go do that and stop complaining about flight in retail.
We have the best of both worlds now. You can go play classic and we can play retail. Neither needs to ruin the other.
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Again, you’re making things up. You don’t know how many people are playing classic and prefer it or why. The only people who know how many people are playing for how many hours is Blizz and they are not saying.
There have also been reports the numbers of people playing classic have been dropping steadily. But again, we do not know - only Blizzard does.
Also, the subscriptions numbers on games like this have pretty much always gone down as they age. From what we do actually know (from back when Blizz released numbers) the highest numbers of subscribers was actually during Wrath which ironically was designed around flying.
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LOL sorry but classics success is not because you can’t fly.
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one of the first times I was killed in WPvP was on a flying mount. Hunter managed to get off a murder of crows on me. I dropped like a stone to my death. the hunter chased me for quite some time before he finally was able to get that shot off. pretty dramatic death for a video game.
I dont think WM needs to be flightless. Players just need to learn to adapt.
Retail is a ghosttown because the core audience of retail are those that like transmog, flying, queueing, etc. If they didn’t like those things they would be playing Classic. But they also regularly get crapped on by Retail development. They get told they have to do dailies for mechagnomes for weeks before they can fly. They quit of boredom and we see popular realms like Wyrmrest Accord become about as busy as an unpopular private server.
There are very vocal opinions, the majority of people that invest time into the game probably like flying. Those that invest minimal time are frustrated because they now have to compete with people with flying - more than likely this is the complaint of the OP.
I, for one, would not level an alt if I did not have flying. Therefore I would be investing far less time into this game than I am now.
I think everyone agrees, initially, not flying allows some level of immersion. A no-fly server would probably be the best case scenario to see who would really prefer that experience. I can tell you right now, it would be extra-ordinarily small group of people. Why? Cuz we have flying and we are spoiled.
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I do agree that it seems a majority of people are calling BFA the worst xpac yet. For me, the reason for that is classes (among other things). They are very lackluster, whether we should fly or not is low on the “what needs to be fixed” list, imo.
I’ve been leveling a prot warrior in classic (I also played in vanilla). It has been fun but I couldn’t play JUST classic for a long period of time. Though, that probably has more to do with I’ve been there done that, kind of thing. For myself the best time of WoW was Wrath.
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What about the zones that require flying
Also, I play classic and the lack of flying has nothing to do with it for me.
I don’t see an issue with restrictions or removing flight for warmode but its gets old people think we should just not fly because of world PVP which is a pretty small chunk of the game.
For one thing if people didn’t have to grind out pathfinder there wouldn’t be an issue in the first place of some people having flight and others not. Not everyone wants to grind out pathfinder and there is nothing wrong with that. We all know the only reason Pathfinder exists is butthurt devs want to punish players for not allowing them to successfully remove flight all together from the game.
If players could just pay a trivial amount of gold at max level, which worked fine for years, then it would be a more even playing field. IF that isn’t enough they could add some debuffs like for example if your in warmode and you attack or get attacked by a player you can’t fly for X amount of time. Again there are plenty of options other than gating flight for months or not flying at all.
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Or you could you know, not use a flying mount?
. . . Imma have to stop you right there, for what are we without the sky?
Oddly I’ve enjoyed BfA more than legion, WoD, and Cata. Hunter and druid felt incredibly fluid and satisfying to run around with, so did rogue/warrior/mage I think. None of the classes feel very complex or unique though.
I mainly miss that community feeling, and actually encountering people in the world for more than a few seconds as they land briefly and then fly away.
I agree, It’s fun and I love re-experiencing all the things that the modern version of the game has lost, but the past is the past. I liked WotLK the most too, the flying never bothered me there. LFG/LFR also weren’t a thing, I dislike those far more than flying.
I’d hardly call that the best of both worlds. That’s like telling elderly people to go revel in the past and die someplace else where they’re not an inconvenience to everyone else… Obviously we all like WoW, and all want to be able to enjoy playing the latest version of the game (at least I hope that’s the case, I have no data on that so I guess it’s not a fair assumption to make).
Counter suggestion: BAD IDEA
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Just don’t fly. Problem solved.
Now in warmode, would be cool to be able to attack someone in flight, while flying yourself. It would keep the concept alive.
Or just have a lot of nets
Epic flying and the flyer was about 5000G, yes - and that was 17.4 metric sh*ttons of gold back then.
I was OBSESSED with getting that epic flyer - to the point of that’s all I was doing in game, and when I did get it, I had a couple of randoms whisper me accusing me of buying gold to get it, since my gear was so crap.
I wish I could remember what I was getting for the Fel Iron ore, and the occasional Khorium from rare spawn points. I finally got enough gold in November of 2007, and the reaction to the guild when we mounted up and all of a sudden I had a bunch of armor on my flyer…worth it.
I dont hate this idea in theory but theres entire zones that require flying like apexis rep from blade spire , and max level areas in mop.
Then again im also into the idea of hardcore servers. But that wouldn’t be a super good idea with endgame content.
Also to the people saying “just dont fly then.” Thats not practical when herbing or trying to get certain quest done. Not flying when other people around you are flying is just an unnecessary handicap. But if its a server where nobody is flying then thats more fair.
Also on my wishlist is non sharded pure servers.
^this
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My point was it greatly reduces the amount of oppurtunitys for wpvp. Flight doesnt stop you from killing people mounted by any means. People fly from wq A to wq B and wpvp happens around those but we’re missing out on the potential battles in between point A and B. Just feels like im missing out on half the fun i was having pre 8.2. Anyhow if they keep things the way they are(which im sure they will) ill still be having fun.