Umm players have been writing in “detail” with constructive criticism for years and years and years and yada and yada and here we are now. Voices are written on other social platforms like Youtube or other sites like Reddit to discuss things that feel out of place or are missing or needs looking into, etc. BFA isn’t the start of this, this has been going on for a long time. BFA is just a stepping stone for many who got tired of the constant trend of Devs ignoring those issues. BFA was also a wake up call for many to see how Devs take players Feedback into consideration. If you are not able to see that, then I don’t know what else to write /shrug. We still have blind players who except these practices, which allows the Devs to continue it. Some players don’t want to speak up on it, or will attack those who write Feedback about said issues.
My feral druid has alread gotten 2 370 weapons with INTELLIGENCE on them. Totally useless. Both from incursions. She’s still stuck with a 340 for now.
It’s free loot from faceroll content. It’s frustrating to get the wrong Weapon but that’s really the only spec based stuff we could get. There’s no rings or trinkets (it seems) so everything else is fine.
I’m OK with Heroic level Weapons having some sense of RNG based on the content it comes from.
It would be nice if they would be loot specific, sucks to get weapons for one spec that I just cannot use. Or Azerite gear with awful traits.
Yes, I know you want people that disagree with you to stop replying. It might make your point look more accepted.
You want heroic raid quality loot, daily, tailored to specifically the drops you want, while doing trivial “can’t fail” content.
Sorry. Please stop lobbying for WoW to be destroyed.
No, this is not my point at all. You are trying so hard to tell people that disagree with you to stop responding, you aren’t even paying attention to what they are saying. You want good gear with no effort. Sorry.
At this point why not ask for a vendor, that allows you to buy any 370 item off of him you want. Once a day?
Yet at a certain point it will be heroic quality raid loot for everyone. A point you refuse to acknowledge.
Actually, what they appear to want is for people to stop derailing the thread off-topic to something that has really no relevance to what they opened this thread about. They’ve warned against this multiple times, so please stop trolling the thread and purposefully derailing it with the same messages over and over and let a discussion take place ON the subject. Feel free to make posts REGARDING the topic brought up in the opening post but not other topics.
I am posting regarding this topic. I am just disagreeing with you. People are still allowed to do that with out trolling.
Having heroic raid quality loot, handed out to you once or twice a day, doing trivial “can’t fail” content has to have a downside to it. That downside is its class specific, not spec specific.
If they tailor it to be exactly what you need, then they would need to drastically nerf the quality of the reward or how often you can get the reward.
I have asked the OP a specific question regarding the loot rewards multiple times, just to see the OP to go out of their way to straight up imply they refuse to answer it.
Now the OP is telling people that disagree with em to stop responding.
False, they’re telling people derailing the thread with off-topic stuff to feel free to stop posting. They have been for a little while, since you’ve been doing it since yesterday.
No, your conversation about how casual players don’t deserve ‘my skill required raiding gear’.(Which you can buy with gold, which you can buy via tokens; really takes the bite out of that entire argument.) Is something else entirely.
OP was discussing how loot spec settings don’t matter for most of the content being done out in the world despite that it was brought into the game to resolve problems with personal loot in the first place.
No. OP is only talking about Assaults. And how they should be spec specific.
I disagree. And I gave my reasons for disagreeing. 100% on topic.
And no. The occasional rare person buying repeating runs of Uldir does not take a bit out of my argument. Because it happens so rarely its not even worth considering.
OP just wants the people that disagree to stop responding so that it looks like more people agree. Considering how the OP refuses to answer most counter arguments, it also makes sense. OP wants people to accept their point on the surface, without ever having to defend it.
That would more one of several levels of RNG causing people to gear up a tiny bit faster. We can’t have this. The game needs to drag out as long as possible between the ever so growing patch release gaps.
I’m gonna go ahead and use one of your post quotes here, for everyone else since you won’t listen.
“At this point, just report the troll. Its clear they are just here to annoy/troll people.”
Specifically…what would you like me to listen to? Specifically how do you feel I went off topic?
I am sorry if the singular act of “disagreeing” makes you feel like someone is trolling. But I am trying to have a pretty civil discussion here, where one side is routinely trying to get anyone that disagrees with them to either stop replying (or now be reported).
Can you show me specifically where I went off topic in regardes to Assault/Invasion loots and why they should or should not be spec specific?
The entirety of any post in regards to ‘casual players don’t deserve raid level gear.’
- Join a guild.
- Don’t join a group like that, there are plenty that don’t have those requirements.
Can you please point out where I stated that?
I believe my points have been based around that daily, trivial “can’t fail” content has to have a down side.
-Raids have a weekly lock out.
-M+ chest is weekly.
-M+ end of dungeon loot does not give it to everyone, and these require a larger time commitment and higher degree of difficulty.
These all are spec specific due to their drawbacks.
Whereas Assault/Invasion loot happens every 19 hours (so once to twice a day). They are trivial. You can’t fail them. They have to have a drawback too. That drawback is that they ignore specs, and give class based loot.
Because Blizzard thinks I have more fun having 5 2handed 370s on my prot pal and 4 2handed 370s on my prot war, while each has a 340 or 345 main hand.
MORE FUN THEY SAY
I say NO, NOT MORE FUN, MORE FRUSTRATING
GG Bliz
This might make people mad, but I don’t think we should be giving out Heroic raid quality loot for taking 10 min to do a few world quests. Just enjoy that you get a chance for 370 gear, because if the reward was based on the effort required, it would be 320 gear.
Perhaps, but then one could argue what is even the point of doing incursions and wasting time on such a terrible trade off.
Why do developers create content for the game to be done, but then create rewards that are not really rewarding? What’s the point in creating such content in the first place? It seems that no one here wants to admit what terrible design this is in the first place.
I personally haven’t done a single incursion since they came out. I just can’t justify a single reason why I would spend any time on it… not one.
There are multiple reasons to do Faction Assaults.
While the gear does not have a 100% chance to upgrade you, its still a huge catch up mechanic. What gear doesn’t directly translate from spec to spec? Sometimes weapons and trinkets? That is basically it.
Faction Assaults also give a good chunk of rep (nice for farming paragon boxes) and the faction based currency. Which can be used for toys/gear/etc.
All for taking what…20 mins to do a trivial piece of content?
you were a specific case, as after pointing out to you repeatedly that its not just “free heroic loot” you would reply "free heroic loot. in that situation, as you diddnt want to see anything but what you wanted to see, i did suggest not replying further. but obviously id like to see discussion, but its not just free heroic loot. see that, and we’re good to converse about the topic at hand.
annnnnd were back to square one.
this system exists, and existed back in the day as well, to a lesser degree. the Azerite dust vendor thing for Mythic plus, and JP/VP vendors from back in the day. do/did these systems also offend you?
for about 10 days, until the new raid drops. then the point is moot anyways.
theres allready the downside of rolling an item you dont need due to allready having a better piece, and rolling an item with bad secondaries, and rolling an item with bad azerite traits. more levels of RNG isnt needed.
WOD/Legion/BFA have introduced so many levels of RNG on top of RNG that even coming from “cant fail” stuff like invasions, you can still get completely fail rewards from it. like i did say to you before, its just too much RNG.
This is true. the discussion that it should be just the complete standard is a different discussion. im speaking about assaults specifically.
But i dont want people that disagree to stop replying, i want people derailing the conversation or trying to spiral the topic into “free “””"“heroic”""""" loot" to take that conversation elsewhere.
as negative as this sounds, im almost wondering if this was done as another gate, or to improve player retention statistics at Activisions next quarterly call.
that the Ilvl of the gear is irrellivant, and that its not “free heroic loot” for everyone.
- its not free, players have to complete world actions to aquire it
- its not heroic loot if your item level is low, if you have low item level, its regular dungeon loot, then heroic dungeon loot, then m0 / raid loot, THEN heroic raid loot. the way you keep phrasing it makes you sound like an old vanilla player QQing that everyone can have purples now.
i’ve tried that, having to join a new group for every raid boss is very time consuming. and im in a guild.
thats a fair concern, but remember the item level scales with the player ilvl. my 350 monk only gets 360 loot. when my monk first hit 120, it was lower than 340.