I get what you are saying, but… Here’s the thing. I’m Feral. I don’t WANT daggers. Even if they are Agi. I can’t Dual-Wield them anyway. So why do I have a chance at getting Agi Daggers? Again, I’m Feral. I don’t WANT Int weapons. So why do I have a chance at getting a 2hd Int Staff. Or a 1hd Int Mace? Or an Off-hand Int Lantern or whatever it is (I got one and scrapped it without paying attention to what it was).
Why is this a possible thing, when weapons are already so hard for people to get? Of all the FREE Gear Bloat out there, I object to weapons the least simply for the reason that it is so difficult to get a good one. EVEN WITH the extra help Blizzard is giving atm. Toss in all those non-spec modifiers and your day is just (substitute word for bad) from that point on when you realize what you COULD have gotten.
Call me crazy but wouldn’t making loot class specific from things like WQ make people more likely to spec change then actually giving them the gear they need for their desired spec spec ?
And I agree with this statement. I think the gap from tiers should have been 15 and not 30 (putting m raiders at heroic and not normal) and the 370 catch up gets pushed back and not come out 7 weeks before the il jump.
When the Nethershard vendor came out in 7.2 during Nighhold I am fairly certain that it only went to about normal NH gear. Could be a little off. Thats FINE for a catch up and you didnt get tier. Someone doing WQs as their main source of gear should not be at all close in power to a heroic raider or someone who runs +10s. The ONLY thing that would make the WQ player weaker is poor trait optimization since assaults only give Honorbound Azerite, but even then most of the Azerite I use in keys and such are from emissary caches and not from Uldir.
Yes and no. If you can get 320 you can get 340+ from Warfronts easy peasy. If you can get 340+ then you can let the Invasions and Emissaries boot-strap you to higher and higher levels. Once you hit a break point the rewards you receive will jump up to the next level. I’ve seen people go from 300 to 360 in less than a day from merely running all the available things and maybe a few LFRs. And be 370+ by the end of a week.
That’s another reason the removal of tier sets was a horrible idea. Before, even if ilvls were close, the tier sets made raid gear objectively superior. Now, instead of a persistent power boost, we get abilities that are only useful in the specific raid the gear dropped from.
…Damn it, I just realized this is the next iteration of rental gear. We’ve gone from “gimmick that lasts for the expac” to “gimmick that lasts the raid tier.”
Want to be more depressed? Your character is balanced around said gear. So each time a new gimmick is released you’ll have to be re-tuned to perform properly. Yay.
Whatever it was should definitely be on the banned substances list, as the loss of conceptual understanding and ability to make good decisions is severe.
back to the same argument i see. it’s not heroic loot for everyone. stop replying if you can’t see that.
that’s not what i want, what i want is to be able to work toward a specific set of gear, as we already can, while doing invasions. invasions not using the loot spec system feels like a bug, not a feature, and i’m sorry you don’t agree. feel free to stop replying.
you want to be a special snowflake with top tier gear (an ideal that blizzard has started to downplay hard for a long time now. LFR, FlexRaid sizing, lockout modification, loot bonus rolls, even LFD. you keep not discussing the point at hand, you keep just complaining ‘Muh Heroic Lewts Doe’
then don’t do invasions, warfronts, or weekly quests. and make your own suggestion topic about it.
this is not my argument. my argument is that loot obtained from invasions should follow the loot spec system, like everything else. if i have my loot spec set to windwalker or Brewmaster, i shouldn’t get Mistweaver gear.
an undergeared one trying to work on gearing. again, you’re bypassing the topic at hand. invasions should follow lootspec rules. that’s all.
this guy gets it. and worse, blizzard has a system in place to prevent this kind of nonsense (lootspec) but chose to bypass it for invasions. that’s just asinine.
So make people play specs they have no interest in?
disagree. because while you could get a spec specific item, there’s no guarantee that it would be an upgrade (ilvl isn’t everything and if you think it is… hooo boy, you have some simcrafting ing to do)
ex: my hunter gets gloves constantly from ‘random’ drops. i have 395 gloves in my bags because the 380’s i’m wearing are best stats, and the higher ilvl with worst stats simply isn’t an upgrade to anything but ilvl.
Undergeared for what? +10? How about +5? Even if you did follow loot spec you are still relying on a like 1/13 on a weapon when repeatable content exists. I wanted a weapon for SV on my MM hunter. Instead of whining about not getting a weapon I had no control over I spent 2 days spamming +10s of dungeons that dropped polearms, because while the odds of a weapon are roughly the same, the dungeon takes 45 minutes as opposed to 19 hours.
He made a comment, I replied. To his WHOLE comment. I consider it borderline rude and misleading to cherry pick a piece of someone’s argument and ignore the rest. Once the debate narrows down, I’ll also narrow it down. But since it was the first reply I made to him, I replied to everything. At that point it was his move.
As a note: Insisting that “YOU DON’T TALK WHILE I’M TALKING!” is going to work just as well on the forums as it does IRL when dealing with strangers. Just roll with it and do the best you can to keep it on topic. As you can see, I did also contribute to your discussion. Again, I’d consider it rude to do otherwise.
Personally, I consider the 2 topics to be related and closely linked. If Invasions didn’t just GUSH (I used another word, but apparently the forum considers it a bad word? sigh As someone who uses the language correctly, it irritates me that I can’t do so.) out higher level gear, you wouldn’t bother to do them and the issue just wouldn’t matter to you. And the loot spec thing wouldn’t matter as the ones dealing with it at that gear level wouldn’t care or would so quickly move past it that even it it was noticed it would quickly become a non-issue.
I feel you. I flat out refuse to play ele or heal but I still have a mace and shield that are a higher item level than my offhand weapon. I will not cave to the WoW gods!
I’m reading the whole comment and I’m intending to reply to the whole comment, but quoting specific parts of the comment to keep the post shorter. I’m not saying don’t talk while I’m talking, I’m trying to keep the topic on topic. Replies saying I think loot is too easy to get nowadays is a concern for some people for sure but deserves its own topic
You can get geared in record time even without spec locked gear rewards. In BC or whatever yesteryear people reference, even with badge loot it would take significantly longer.
Non spec-locked gear may happen, but it’s happening at an incredible pace to where gear itself is devalued. It comes with almost no effort. I mean - you spent a few minutes in an invasion that required an unpracticed zerg to complete and its an issue that you didn’t get catapulted to current ilevel?
to expound, you may have noticed my replies generally tend to be long. im simply truncating the quotes to keep the post size down. i am reading the whole comment, and when i reply, i grab the portion of the quote that appears to best, to me, encapsulate the essence of the reply. my apologies if i’ve offended by seeming to cherry-pick. to continue my reply now that i’ve put the cellphone away…
possibly. but the thread i was creating here was for one of the topics, not the other. just trying to keep things on topic so things dont decend into madness.
an understandable point to raise, but with the new raid lauching in a few weeks, the gear will soon be just regular ilvl. if players are using a catch up mechanic, it should be useful.
i wasn’t fishing the invasion specifically for a weapon, im just disapopinted the gear was completely useless to me. even if i had a mistweaver set, (i dont), don’t MW use staves?
maybe not, but blizzard won’t know what players want unless they are willing to discuss what they do want.
nothing wrong with that, but i have holes to fill out, and limited time to play, and getting something that doesnt help at all after investing my limited time seems unrewarding. why not just do a mythic dungeon and have chances at multiple pieces of useful loot instead of invasion with one chance at potenailly useless loot?
obviously this isn’t what im saying. just stay on the topic at hand, invasion loot being spec specific. or make a thread for gear being too easy to get. it is a worthwile discussion to have, i just think it deserves its own discussion.
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