Succubus is sexist please remove/ incubus incoming

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

And it’s the origin of almost all of our in-game warlock and demon lore

Remember:

@Baalsamael-turalyon

n myth? No, the oldest iteration of the succubus, the “Lilin” or “lilu”, are traditionally the daughters/servants of Lilith, who in some retellings is the “first vampire” (because she survived on blood in the desert East of Eden) or the “mother of demons” (folklore which started as Jewish myth and spread to both Christians and Muslims over the centuries) by being the consort of Satan (and in some iterations of Jewish medieval theology, she is the mother of Cain).

Otherwise some other “Night Women” vary from the Greek Lampades (who serve Hekate), Irish Banshees (who are often described as beautiful, particularly the Banshee Queen Cliodhna), or the more cursory and globally “White Lady” myths (e.g. Latin American Llorona), or the Greek Lamia.

Notably, the Mesopotamian Lilu which became the Jewish Lilin (of Lilith) was translated by Hellenic Jews in the Septuagint as “Daimonia” (Demons, or Spirits) in Isaiah 34 while the Roman Church translated it as Greek Lamia but Latinized and retained.

Medieval Jewish theology maintained the Succubi were the children of the Demon Queens while Western Christian tradition the Succubi and Incubi were divided into two separate beings.

Notably both the Lamia of Greek is derived also from the Mesopotamian myth of the Lammashtu/Lammea (historical speculation) who is separate from the Lilu, but the Lammea are daughter/s of Anu while the Lilu are tied to Inanna/Ishtar.

In every iteration and in its mythological genealogy, the succubus is a predator and a servant, and tied to both nocturnal emissions, the death of newborns (particularly male newborns), or children both with malformations, usually due to punishment of the parents.

The real issue is we lack an Incubus and we lack Warlock Stables.

Anyways I’m off now, ciao, I’ll post about incubus and warlock stables tomorrow again

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

Keep on fighting the good fight.

[Laragonsia-proudmoore]

@Lokath-blackhand

Well, demonology does exist outside of the game. Whether you believe in it or not, is another story.

You kinda become just as cringe as he is, WOW demon is an alien, WOW’s orc is an alien, if you used the lore of outside source to justify it’s WOW counterpart, it should prove enough you don’t know what you’re talking about.

If i was just as cringe as Baalsamel i would link you Tolkien’s orc to argue about WOW’s orc.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I didn’t and I’ve said as much dozens of times.

[Deusesca-stormrage]

You have too much time on your hands OP. Get a life/job.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I have a life.

I’m able to handle more than one thing at a time. It’s a grown up skill called multitasking.

[Deusesca-stormrage]

Grown ups don’t care about a fictional creature in a 15 year old game. Nice try though.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

Not to nitpick, but the game is closer to 17 years old if my math is correct.

Adults take responsibility to change things for the better , so that future generations can be more successful.

That’s what we are going here.

Putting our collective feet down and saying enough is enough.

[Deusesca-stormrage]

Yes… instead of curing cancer or fixing the monetary system you’re complaining about succubi in a 17 year old game forum in your mom’s basement…

This will surely be the enabler of future generations 5hed.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I’m trying to change something that is within my power to possibly assist in happening.

[Deusesca-stormrage]

Just because you can change something doesn’t mean it’s worth the effort. This is meaningless. Do better.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I think I’ll be on the right side of history on this one.

[Deusesca-stormrage]

Um… yeah no history is being made here lol. You’re just triggered by a fictional creature that’s been in folklore for most of human history and are complaining on an internet forum…

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I’m not triggered lol

[Rashiko-bleeding-hollow]

The side of history that desperately needs to touch grass, maybe.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

I’m sure the same was probably said about all of the great thinkers in history.

Aristotle. Hawkings. Beethoven. Einstein.

You get the point

[Rashiko-bleeding-hollow]

If you try really hard, you might be on Ed Wood’s level.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

Well he had a movie at starring Johnny depp made about him. I guess that would be alright, but I look more like brad Pitt.

[Lokath-blackhand (Lokath)]

Will you acknowledge that demonology exists outside of world of Warcraft?

[Sasskei-earthen-ring (Sasskei)]

What does it matter if they acknowledges it or not?

Demonology is a word that existed before Warcraft - its not a term that the game made up.

But within the context of this discussion - part of any demon removal should to be justified in game as well as mechanically out of game.

Someone wants to get rid of only obviously female demon summons but is totally willing to let all the male demon summons stay in their “enslaved” state - because sexism.