Succubus is sexist please remove/ incubus incoming

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:23am

Shivarra yes, it is a glyph, but only the red-gold outfit purple skin combination shivarra, the rest are inaccessible

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:23am

Kinda cringe thing to say since not every demon fought for the same side.

Anyway im not for changing succubus’s look anyway, i want them replaced.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:26am

Actually it’s part of the canon due to the effects of demonic corruption.

Again, know your lore.

And I want an incubus and warlock stables.

Alas here we are.

The Madonna Cone Bra is definitely outdated, very 90s, as I’ve stated.

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:27am

Nah you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about, read your lore.

There are bad Shivarra and there are “good” one, to imply they’re all the same prove that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

You probably believe there all multiple Ashbringer as well.

Kinda cringe if you ask me. Read more.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:30am

Shivarra aren’t succubi silly goose

They have an entirely different nature and purpose.

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:31am

Of course you’re not smart enough to notice that im just giving an example that not all demon think the same.

It went waaaaay over your head, this is why you need to read more.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:33am

Shivarra actually all follow the same nature, their purpose is to dominate, torture, and manipulate other beings.

All demons have free will, but they also have inherent natures.

Such is the metaphysics of WoW demons and aberrations

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:33am

Wrong again.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:35am

Alas, I am not wrong; again, review your lore between the legacy of the masters questline, the Shivarra voice lines (there’s more than the combat ones, fun fact, the minions are all quite chatty), and the other demonstrations of who they are and what purpose they serve

Vyce-moon-guard · September 16, 2021, 6:36am

Removing succubus is stupid. Adding an incubus option sounds legit though

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:36am

At this point im starting to believe you’re one of those cringe hardcore headcanon fan.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:38am

Support warlock stables thread could use a bump and more support always

I know, I know, warlock lore is so complicated. We’re former shaman, former priests, former mages, we use shadow, and elemental magic, and demons, and aberrations, it’s just a mess.

Don’t worry, you’ll be able to fully grasp it eventually!

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:39am

Please don’t use the word we, it’s like you’re trying to drag everyone down to your level.

There are Warlocks that know what they’re talking about, and then there’s you.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:40am

Ah you’re so precious.

Anyways I’ll be back tomorrow to encourage everyone to support warlock stables

Have a blessed evening, refresh your grasp of the lore and IRL demonology in the meantime, I did a brief summary earlier but there’s so much more

Vyce-moon-guard · September 16, 2021, 6:40am

That’s a pretty neat thread you made there. Gave it a bump cuz those are legit awesome ideas. Imagine if you could make more bargains with more demons than what’s available. That would be legit

Laragonsia-proudmoore · September 16, 2021, 6:40am

Yeah you actually believe demonology is real, that’s enough cringe for today.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:41am

Thank you! An Incubus is long overdue, and adding “male-only” demons otherwise to the succubus slot would slap.

Vyce-moon-guard · September 16, 2021, 6:41am

Here’s hoping!

Lokath-blackhand · September 16, 2021, 6:42am

Well, demonology does exist outside of the game. Whether you believe in it or not, is another story.

Baalsamael-turalyon · September 16, 2021, 6:43am

And it’s the origin of almost all of our in-game warlock and demon lore

Remember:

Baalsamael:

n myth? No, the oldest iteration of the succubus, the “Lilin” or “lilu”, are traditionally the daughters/servants of Lilith, who in some retellings is the “first vampire” (because she survived on blood in the desert East of Eden) or the “mother of demons” (folklore which started as Jewish myth and spread to both Christians and Muslims over the centuries) by being the consort of Satan (and in some iterations of Jewish medieval theology, she is the mother of Cain).

Otherwise some other “Night Women” vary from the Greek Lampades (who serve Hekate), Irish Banshees (who are often described as beautiful, particularly the Banshee Queen Cliodhna), or the more cursory and globally “White Lady” myths (e.g. Latin American Llorona), or the Greek Lamia.

Notably, the Mesopotamian Lilu which became the Jewish Lilin (of Lilith) was translated by Hellenic Jews in the Septuagint as “Daimonia” (Demons, or Spirits) in Isaiah 34 while the Roman Church translated it as Greek Lamia but Latinized and retained.

Medieval Jewish theology maintained the Succubi were the children of the Demon Queens while Western Christian tradition the Succubi and Incubi were divided into two separate beings.

Notably both the Lamia of Greek is derived also from the Mesopotamian myth of the Lammashtu/Lammea (historical speculation) who is separate from the Lilu, but the Lammea are daughter/s of Anu while the Lilu are tied to Inanna/Ishtar.

In every iteration and in its mythological genealogy, the succubus is a predator and a servant, and tied to both nocturnal emissions, the death of newborns (particularly male newborns), or children both with malformations, usually due to punishment of the parents.

The real issue is we lack an Incubus and we lack Warlock Stables.

Anyways I’m off now, ciao, I’ll post about incubus and warlock stables tomorrow again