Struggling to Play Because of Addons

No, this has nothing to do with casual activities. Addons aren’t a requirement for any of the content. Everything in game, from levelling a new character to doing a Mythic Raid, is all possible without any addons at all.

Yea, this is delusion.

participating in content and executing in content are two different answers. in which, you may be right about participation.

regardless

addons are simple, using them is simple, and often using them enhances the game ui leading to an improved gaming experience. Additionally, they’ve been around for 20 years and the game was built for addon support. they’re not going anywhere

if Rando bob can’t figure them out, that’s a bob problem, not an addon problem.

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It’s actually not an addon problem or a bob problem.

It’s a blizzard problem.

And just like that… the sub I had for an hour is refunded. Best of luck to blizzard.

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Well, to your point, any “requirement” is entirely self-imposed by a player and/or their guild.

That said, add-ons are a requirement if a goal of the player and/or guild is to engage in difficult content.

If my goal is to push 2.4K+ in arena as a caster (melee too, I just bring up caster cause tracking kicks is fundamental), I’m not doing that without addons. If someone is capable of that, I’m radically impressed, but I’m not.

I will take the point that it’s my decision to set my own goals, but the reality is is that the game does exist in such a state that for many people to realize their various goals, addons are effectively necessary.

You wanna tell a mythic progression guild “you don’t have to use DBM?” (I don’t know all the addons they use, but virtually any raiding guild is going to have at minimum 2-3 required addons to even apply to join the guild)

They’re going to laugh you out of the room.

None of your post makes sense.

Not a single addon is needed to play 90% of the content in WoW.

No they’re not. You can engage in difficult content without addons. Blizzard doesn’t lock people out of doing Mythic raids because they don’t have DBM installed. Addons are more done by player choice, mostly due to convenience, not requirements.

Any guilds that does make addons a requirement to raid with, I tend to avoid those, because I rather play the way I want, and not the way others want. And this should be the same for everyone.

So, blizzard have gone on record as saying they design mythic raid content with add-ons in mind. Just so you know. Think that’s a bit relevant.

That said, do you have any experience whatsoever in difficult content to justify your stance that addons are not required to complete said content?

It’s very easy for a battleground player to tell a gladiator they don’t need addons.

Its very easy for a lfr / normal raider to tell a cutting edge mythic raider they don’t need addons.

If you’re a cutting edge mythic raider telling me you didn’t need addons to achieve that, I will salute and respect you and take this to heart.

I could armory you, but I’m quite confident in what I’ll find. And this is not mean to be elitist. It’s simply meant to say “if you don’t engage in that content, you have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Citation Needed.

I have experience in that content. While it’s true that addons are more or less required by nearly all teams that COMPLETE the content, addons aren’t required to do some of the easier mythic bosses.

Additionally, very few people are actually doing this content at all, which is why I’m comfortable saying that for the vast majority of people who play WoW, not a single addon is required.

I’m lazy. It’s there, you can find it.

There’s also quite a few other good points I made. I’m sure you’re not intentionally avoiding them or anything.

Also, I did take a moment to armory you, and yeah, you have no basis to tell a mythic raider or high-end pvp’er that they don’t need add-ons to accomplish their goals :smiley:

I’d rather use my mind for positioning, rotation and group awareness.
There is only so much your mind can track.
This could be fine for a simpler single player game, it does not work for WoW.

No, it’s exclusively a YOU problem. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

:clown_face: confirmed here too.

You’re the clown bro.

If you can’t handle something as simple as setting up addons ONCE, you’re not the target audience for this game.

@everyone else: I think gatekeeping is a great thing sometimes, and here we have such an example.

Having WeakAuras or having DBM is pretty much required and it creates this artificial gap between causal players and hardcore players. It’s kind of a two-part question; number one, does like the team design these Heroic and Mythic encounters for addons, same with Mythic+, and the second part is, are we going to see more of these features incorporated into the game?

That’s an awesome question, it’s something we spend a lot of time, especially recently, debating. We design acknowledging the existence of addons - I think we have to. Sometimes we’re actually designing and implementing mechanics in ways that are going to try to work around addons - whether it’s entering the code to disarm the bomb on Mekkatorque, or the Among Us game on Lords of Dread, and fixing stuff to plug loopholes that people’ve found, because we know that we have this idea which could be really fun gameplay, but if an addon solves the whole thing for you, then what’s the point? So we have to acknowledge its existence.

They literally changed the entire UI like at the start of DF… They made everything in the UI movable, customizable, resizable etc. There is this whole new Edit Mode in the game now instead of just having the Interface settings window. I use ElvUI… Along with like 60 other addon’s although lately I have been turning ElvUI completely off and using the base UI. I got it set up just like how it was in ElvUI but with the actual game designed frames etc. Anyways, what happened when I turned ElvUI off on my game was incredible for the loading times and speed for everything now. I tried this back when they first launched the new ui system… But it didn’t work out for me back then. And on some characters I do still use ElvUI, only because the amount of time it takes to set everything back up afterwards…

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What Addons do you feel you actually need?

Aside from a Boss Mod (like DBM or BigWigs) you really don’t need any Addon, unless you’re really into mogging (Can I Mog It) or pet-battles (BattlePet-ID).
Even Weak Auras is optional.

Yeah, but saying JUST weakauras is crazy. Weakauras are so insanely necessary in this game. The weakauras don’t need changed, the gameplay needs to change to not need them.

This guy think it’s setting it up ONCE :clown_face:

You show ignorance every response :skull:

Increasing the amount of requirements to play the game is a problem.**** (i.e., where something like solo shuffle already taking 40+min for queues… I don’t personally experience the queue, because I don’t play (e.g. blizzard problem)),