I don’t like engaging with you, you’re logic is lacking. I’ll sum up our first encounter.
You: I did google research WoW only has 2 million subs
Me: But that’s not provable…those people are speculating…
You: I DID GOOGLE RESEARCH
Me: Oh okay…well I did google research and they said 13 million subs, so…?
and then I stopped taking you seriously pretty much ever since then and have ignored I’d say roughly 80% of your harassing comments made ever since.
I was going to burst your bubble…but I figured I’d let you see what some of the people were saying in this thread and just find out yourself…
Top responses:
It doesn’t matter, everything in the game is free, you just have to spend all your free time farming gold. Farming gold is also fun!
WoW isn’t half as bad as X game, you should see inserts lists of games they’re WAY worse, so it’s okay if WoW starts to be like them…
Because these decisions affect every single player not just you. You aren’t understanding that. Eventually if this becomes a practice for Blizzard to treat this as a fremium game plus getting sub money and expac money, more players will be forced to spend money on the cash shop.
Why would they be forced to spend money you ask? Why indeed? Would you buy a crappy badly designed item from the shop? Nope. Only if it was well designed would you even bother.
Why put a well designed item on the shop when you already have the game to put it in?
Don’t get me wrong. The people buying it aren’t the problem. The ones who think this is consumer friendly are the ones who are helping Blizzard lay the foundations of anti consumer policies.
i don’t see anyone defending it other then a few die hards on here. reddit is fully on board with microtransactions being removed and i plan on making a long post on r/games saying it’s high time we the consumer say no more to them.
Most people don’t understand this. They see something new and shiny and think “oh I must buy this as soon as possible”. They’re not thinking about the future effects of this kind of stuff on the game and community.
No I hear you. Just the other day after one of my posts was deleted, someone posted the thing to another site, but they intentionally blacked out the relevant passage. Then they tried to claim it was massively edited by me (as most people know, most of my edits are always principally grammar and syntax corrections, or the deletion of repeated statements and words).
Humorously though, that individual forgot to include a edit post pencil icon to their photo-shop.
While my issue is admittedly a small one, it is worth pointing out again, that it is part of a bigger issue that exists in society where you have hateful individuals who are allowed to operate with 0 consequences, and who frequently try to circumvent Blizzard’s Disciplinary policy. Saying “Just put them on ignore” is woefully inadequate as responses go in the ‘enlightened age’ that is 2020.
Perfect, maybe you’ll just leave my thread all together and stop harassing me? That’d be a beautiful thing!
Thank you, you big beautiful cow man!
Yup, I truly wonder if any of these people disagreeing can comprehend this?
Because It’s the way Blizzard’s been ran when the original creators made it and it was just / fair and the game people started on? That’s like working for a company and them saying “Okay you have to take unpaid lunch breaks now!” and people saying “Woah, that’s unfair!” and people saying “Why is it unfair?”
Haha, exactly what I said before I read this, beautiful! <3
The unhappy people will always be the loudest, that’s been proven time and time again regarding anything controversial … doesnt make it the majority. Ive talked to MANY people about this in game and most people are on bored or dont care all together they just dont feel like they need to talk about it on forums constantly.
When you try and tell me “I looked on google and it said wow has 2 million subs” and you’re being serious? Yeah, I’m not going to talk to you anymore…you severely lack something and are literally not worth engaging in even basic conversation.
You have to not use the word forced by the way, otherwise some ninny will quote you and try to argue semantics “Who has a gun against your head and is forcing you to buy it?!” It happens in literally every thread.
I haven’t checked, is there an uprising happening of gamers? Are we finally taking a full on stance against this?! I WANNA JOIN THE REVOLUTION!
Of course. All these people defending it because “well it’s free” guess why? So people don’t make a huge fuss about it. When the next one comes out? “THEY ALREADY ADDED ONE, IT’S FINE!”
Yup. They go around harassing people in threads, reporting the threads because they disagree and trying to silence people’s opinions. Meanwhile the regular user is just trying to make themselves heard…It’s why I rarely use the Blizzard forums anymore, they’re so full of hateful people like that.
It has not in over a decade. This is why people do not see a problem. They have kept it small and only cosmetic.
I think what people do not understand is that this model stays within a certain model that the average consumer finds acceptable. If they go outside the parameters of that, then there will be real backlash from everyone.
So for many, it has not crossed a line and Blizzard probably knows that line is one they do not cross.
That company no longer exists. If it did, this game would not be here now.
The shop has not gone beyond cosmetic in over a decade. It has even taken things out to keep it smaller so that they could add new things without becoming a huge store.
The company seems to know the line that they cannot cross. This is why people are accepting of it.
You are twisting two conversations into one I think.
Maybe I can rephrase as a whole and it will be less confusing.
A lot of WoW players support the Cash Shop in WoW from the discussions I have had in game with friends, guildies and randoms. The Cash Shop concept has also been very successful in multiple other MMOs. The reason people seem to think that the argument is one sided towards people not liking it is because the group who doesn’t like it is louder than those who do, which is a common thing for most controversial topics. If you think about it, that’s just human nature… people are going to be loud about things they don’t like to try and “rectify it” where as people who are satisficed don’t feel the need to speak up because they are happy with it.
I am not sure I would class Square-Enix’s offerings as a Tin-Pot MMO.
More alarming to me is the fact that now we’re hearing people (like that High Elf situation someone else on the forums was just alluding to) state they are being doxxed. My position is simply this. All of us have had to make a good-faith covenant with Blizzard, and provide them with our real identity so as to have an account with them so as to play the game, and pay for it monthly.
Most of us as I would assume, are simply playing the game and are content under normal circumstances to just do our own thing. But for many others, particularly those that engage in online harassment and doxxing, that doesn’t seem to be good enough anymore.
Thus I have to ask the question. “Where and how is this information becoming commonplace enough that people are capable of doxxing WoW players?” Where and how is it being revealed, if the player in question simply does business exclusively with Blizzard Entertainment and does not possess/participate in things like a social media, streaming or other such matters?
There’s the rub. It speaks to a far deeper problem, and not one of any specific players doing.
Imagine thinking that anyone complaining is just wrong because you so, haha.
You and me both, at first I took it as blatant trolling…but I’m starting to think they’re serious. I’ve asked 3 people so far to elaborate, they just ignore…maybe they realize it’s a silly opinion and can’t bring themselves to even reply to such a question.
Perfect, you’re the one who helped this thread stay on the front page and garner more support. 1k replies in less than half a day and many <3’s on the OP. I’ve done work before, but I have to admit I’m pretty impressed with myself on this one.
LOL you should have seen this person. Their first post was “I DID google RESEARCH and it says there’s only 2 million WoW subs!”
“Oh, well you can’t prove that…nobody knows the actual number”
“Yeah I’m not going to post my sources but I’m right”
“Oh, okay…well then I did google research and it said 13 million subs”
Imagine that, people passionate about WoW…
Oh I know, we’re practically lovers at this point, Kent. Especially that time when you said you wanted to wear matching transmogs with me!
Imagine you’ve supported a gaming company for 20+ years, you love them. They’re the gold standard you want every gaming company to live by. They make almost no products that you dislike, you buy and support them in every way you can for YEARS.
They slowly start changing, original members start leaving…corners almost consistently start being cut…and we’re getting charged for more and more stuff constantly.
You can’t see why someone would passionately want to stop them from doing more and more terrible things you disagree with?
No, I have an issue with people saying “Your opinion is wrong” and arguing with me. You can’t tell me that I don’t think transmog in the shop is bad. It’s bad. That’s my opinion, period.
I mean, It’s half truth half “I don’t care about arguing with you silly gooses anymore, I’m just going to tell you to stop harassing me vs spending more time wasting it arguing over you trying to say I’m wrong about my own opinion”
Imagine if you just said that on everything you didn’t understand instead of being mean to me…things would be so much cleaner between us…
