You and others keep talking about the way it was originally designed 15 years ago. Things have changed you still have two range specs now one of them is melee, your not happy about it, but to sit here and argue that somehow it is out of bounds due to original design, or out of class fantasy or anything like that is just silly. Never seen a more snowflake group of people.
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You still don’t get it, do you?
It’s not about the fact that the class now has a melee option.
It’s about what they did to the class to make room for it(even though that wasn’t necessary) for that new spec to fit in.
We are referring to how things were, not 15 years ago, but also how they were around 4 years ago.
Up until that point, players did not pick a hunter in order to play as melee. They picked it solely to play as ranged.
The players that did play as a hunter, liked ranged combat, otherwise why choose a hunter? We had 3 unique playstyles to choose from as far as it went regarding ranged weapon specs.
Then the devs took 1 of those 3 away despite that none of us was actually asking for that to happen.
That is the problem. Not the new MSV spec in itself. The concept of a melee hunter spec DOES fit the class, and I have already said that before.
What isn’t justified, is removing existing hunter specs/playstyles to cater towards something which pretty much no hunter prior to that point, was really asking for.
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Actually i do get it. It’s boo hoo the spec i liked is completely different. Message received. Ad nauseam. Blizz is clearly and painfully aware of how people like you feel about the change. The fact that they haven’t jumped to revert it even going into 9.0 is their nice way of saying at least for now and the foreseeable future, you have to find some way to live with it.
I hope you can all pick up the broken pieces of your lives and find a way to carry on.
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And once again, I’m not asking them to revert anything.
You just keep ignoring that part.
Second, we don’t actually know any specifics regarding future hunter changes coming in 9.0.
Beyond that we’re getting some class-wide abilities.
As for the rest of your post(s), it/they are on about the same level as KW’s posts are. You just happen to be using a few more words per post.
So, no point in continuing the discussion with you.
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No, you’re asking them to do something even less likely. For the record they did actually say no major changes or reworks to classes going into 9.0. We all know that can change but come on going from no major reworks to here have a fourth spec which is something that they have never in the history of the game done. But you keep banging that drum homie!
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They also said they were going to bring the feel of the survival hunter to MM.
They never changed a ranged class into a melee class before either.
In the end, you are probably right. They’re going to stick to their guns on this because they don’t want to admit that they screwed a lot of players who had invested years in a class and spec they loved. Frankly, I’m surprised Ion still works there after the Legion Hunter debacle. The advantages of being a lawyer I guess.
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For me personally I never really cared for the ranged theme of survival hunters I was always more so in it for the traps and all the other gimmicks wrapped up into them. And while of course that’s just my opinion, I can also say that almost everything being said here is just an opinion too so maybe we shouldn’t state things as if they’re fact for everyone that plays a hunter.
Personally for the hunter class I think the classes need more put into them to fit their theme a hell of a lot better then they do now. Make any hunter class melee or ranged for all I care I’ll learn to work with it, but for beast and survival I think it’s much more important that they get more to fit the theme of their class.
Marksman is there too with my beliefs on getting more, but just being a straight up archer is such a broad area it’s hard to comment on it.
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They said no reworks in the style of what happened to SV going into Legion no, that’s true.
As for no major changes, that’s not what they said.
Them saying “no major reworks” just means that they don’t want to completely change the current design of existing specs.
That doesn’t mean anything when it comes to adding in new specs.
And also…
here have a fourth spec which is something that they have never in the history of the game done
Druids?
Here are some other things that they had never done before, something most players when talking about it, never thought that it would actually happen, until it did:
- Turning an existing spec into something entirely different(RSV to MSV).
- Recreating the original WoW(Vanilla).
- Recreating the ability Eyes of the Beast. Something the devs clearly said themselves that it would not happen. As it would be too much work.
And more. Think Bepples provided a list of such things a while back in another thread. Had another 10+ examples in it or so regarding things/situations where the devs changed their minds. On many occasions, due to player feedback.
On another note btw.
It’s funny to see this coming from you when you’re at the same time clinging to the “fact” that 4th spec options will never happen just because of how it’s been in the past.
Especially since we’ve already seen the addition of a 4th spec to an existing class. In the past.
As for specific motivators(and differences ofc):
I’m sure someone will bring up the argument that “druids got a 4th spec just to split Feral into two in order to not have two roles within one spec”.
And, that is true, this is a big reason for why Druids got a 4th spec option.
This was the justification for why druids got a 4th spec option but other classes did not.
What would be a justification for Hunters? Besides previously mentioned ones that is.
It’s actually enough for the devs to come out and say that:
“Due to what was done to the Hunter class going into Legion, where we removed a playstyle and replaced it with a different one, we have decided to bring that former playstyle(specialization) back in the form of an additional spec option, much due to player feedback and requests.”
Or something similar…
You/people may not like such a justification, but it’s a perfectly legit reason as for why they could do this for the class.
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Even though I know it’s not an actual quote, I got very excited reading it. I would be over the moon happy if that was part of an official announcement. I would buy 5 copies of Shadowlands to show my support.
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You got me all wrong dude. Just cuz im sick of seeing the gazillionth thread crying big salty tears about the same topic doesnt mean i dont want you to have a 4th spec or whatever else your heart desires. My aim is not for people to not enjoy their ingame time.
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You and me both mate.
The difference here though, is that you don’t particularly care for the return of RSV.
For us that do, there’s nothing that we can do but post about how how we want it back as well as provide suggestions for how it should come back and what we want from it, in terms of design. Because, if we don’t/if we stop, the devs certainly aren’t going to do anything.
I don’t remember what your preference was/is. Is it MSV or?
Whatever it is, imagine if it was taken away with no proper justification or without merit. Imagine if they would take it away in favor of bringing RSV back.
If you don’t care, then fair enough, some people care less for individual playstyles and more about the class(es) as a whole.
But in short, I(and others) want nothing more than to be able to leave these types of threads behind, and have RSV back. Then the arguments and new threads, would disappear.
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The removal of RSV was the most catastrophic thing they could have done to my class. It dwarfs every single complaint I’ve ever had about the game, and I can’t imagine ever complaining about another change following this.
I am still posting YEARS after the change because it broke my heart. There has never been any other change that has been able to ruin the entire game for me. They all seem trivial compared to what they did to my Hunters in Legion.
I sincerely doubt any change they make, short of shutting down the servers, will bring about these giant threads again especially from retired RSV Hunters who know just how badly Blizzard can screw them.
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Losing something is bad, but clinging to something from ages ago is much worst.
You’ve gotta let it go plays disney song and move on.
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You want a 4th spec, great. You’re not the problem, you’re not the guy the thread titled “STOP TRYING TO REMOVE MELEE” is addressing. A 4th option as ranged sv, tinker, dark ranger, ranger, whatever they call it would be great!
The problem is the folks who spent all of legion and bfa chanting Remove Melee Remove Melee Remove Melee, and the people who were harassing players for daring to enjoy the melee spec.
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Agreed.
Although IMO a seperate class for melee hunters would be even better.
Barbarian class:
1 spec based on Legion SV. Heavy melee focus. ( Huln Highmountain spec)
And another spec based on BFA SV. Melee / range hybrid. ( Rexxar spec)
If the mere thought of you losing your preferred playstyle makes you upset, imagine it actually happening. Imagine seeing troll post after troll post celebrating the removal of the spec you loved, saying your spec was never great. Calling it “justice”.
I personally don’t care if anyone enjoys the melee spec. You do you.
That being said, the class was better off before Legion. Hunter was completely unique because of the ranged weapon. Class diversity >>>>> spec diversity. The specs are supposed to be similar to another, that’s why they’re in the same class! That’s why MSV sticks out like a sore thumb.
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Eh, for me, I only really got on the ‘screw the rsv crowd’ after the second, maybe third time I was told to kill myself for liking the melee spec. Never by people I actually talked about the spec with, but while trying to join m+/RBG groups back in legion.
As to justice, yeah, I said that. Paraphrased various people who argued that there can be no justice until the spec is ranged again, same with the jibe I made about ranged sv stealing the melee spec in 1.7.
And finally, a separate class, barbarian or ranger or whatever… eh. A second pet-taming class pretty heavily infringes on one of the big draws to play a hunter, not sure it’d work unless blizzard introduced (hopefully free, but likely paid) class change services; it’d be a huge mistake to reintroduce RSV as a spec on a new class too, for the same reasons.
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I would agree that this is the wrong way to go about advocating for the return of RSV.
No matter which spec it is that’s being altered or even removed, it’s not fun for all those who have invested themselves into said spec.
It still baffles me how the devs though the best option was to remove one unique playstyle in favor of adding a completely different one.
They weren’t exactly competing with one another on any front, part from both being damage focused specs. They, in terms of being about dealing damage, were both filling different roles.
And still they decided there could only be one or the other…
And, still today, it’s equally baffling to see how people would rather continue down the road of endless arguments of MSV vs RSV rather than focusing on/requesting for both to be available.
Same goes for the devs themselves who caused all this.
It would force current hunters to reroll a fresh character just to be able to access the spec which they prefer, in case that’s the spec which has been moved to another class.
So, I’m not so sure about that.
Maybe for new players, it would.
While I get the frustration, and have felt it myself, you’re right.
That’s not how one should go about venting it.
Granted that people say/provide feedback for what they want. But in this particular case, it wasn’t exactly feedback from players which resulted in the removal of RSV.
That was all on the devs.
And even if they would’ve based their decision on player demands for RSV to be changed, that still does not justify such words to be spoken to someone else.
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A Dark Ranger or Tinker class would infringe on the hunter fantasy too. Assuming they could tame beasts like hunters do. It’s only a matter of time.
But as long as exotics remain a BM exclusive, it’s cool with me.
I hate to sound entitled, but I think they kinda owe us one.
Some sort of questline with Rexxar would be neat. Like existing hunters could go on a grand monster hunt and he teaches you how to fight with a spear and throw axes.
Not sure where you got this. I meant bring RSV back to the hunter class.
All 3 versions of SV would be in game simultaneously.
Hunter would be as it was before Legion.
New Barbarian class would have both versions of MSV. (Legion and BFA)
They would need to make some changes to Barb MSV. Rexxar doesn’t seem like the bomb throwing type.
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I have always felt like they owe us. Having paid for years of service with a perfectly reasonable expectation that my characters would be around as long as the servers were running seemed like a common-sense expectation. Sure, things were going to change, but this went much further than a change. They essentially deleted my character. I think I had a reasonable expectation they would not do that. In fact, they have stated a few times they had no plans to delete characters - even after long absences. For all intents and purposes, a character is the sum of a class and a spec.
So you should feel entitled. You paid Blizzard to keep your character for you. Frankly I’m surprised there wasn’t a class action law suit. It seems stupid for a game, but some people spent thousands of dollars in subscriptions and in-game items over the years. It’s a lot of money.
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Clutch them pearls!
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