Weird because sims puts warriors a milestone ahead of everyone with a TG removal
If they scale the same why are warriors closing the gap between the two through the phases?
What spec is “completely overpowered”? I’m sure you tossed out “class” to try and inject that beaten dead horse rhetoric of paladins, but in talking about dps balance it has zero relevance in the discussion.
Do I need to teach you what a parallel line is again?
Feel free to try, but that doesn’t make you understand scaling at all.
I don’t think Wars need a buff or other’s need to be nerfed. My point when I made the topic was that other classes pretending like Wars didn’t get screwed over in wotlk classic are gaslighting. We were better in every phase originally. That being said we’re like upper A instead of S at worst. If we see bad numbers on logs in a month or two blizz will fix it, everyone relax.
Person that doesnt understand 9th grade math trying to tell people what scaling is, incorrectly to boot. 
I’ll repeat it again, scaling is additive DPS gain per phase. The reason your understanding of scaling being a % increase is incorrect is because 1) no one understand it to mean that but you apparently and 2) you can easily inflate the percent of scaling by lowering the starting DPS, totally revealing the error in your concept.
Like when you tried to tell me that if a class went from 4k dps to 6k dps it scaled harder than if a class went from 6k dps to 8k dps because the former class had a 50% increase and the latter had a 33% increase… despite them both scaling parallel, the same exact 2k dps. To illuminate your error, consider if a class did 1k dps and gained 2k dps to 3k dps, it now has a 200% increase. Or if a class did 500 dps to 2500 dps, now it has a 400% increase. See how you can simply lower the starting variable and suddenly the percent increases? Or if you did 1 dps and now did 2001, wow a 19,999% increase!
The reason scaling mattered is because if in phase 1, two classes did different DPS, its possible that by the end phase they could do the same DPS or even swap places in the DPS meta. This only happens if one class scales more than the other. If they scale parallel, the lower class will always be lower. Also, if they scale almost parallel, but not quite, there might not be enough time for them to swap as well. I.e. if the lower class gained at a faster rate but phase 4 ended without enough stats to actually swap them places.
So, in phase 1 they can be 2k dps apart, and in phase 4 they can still be 2k dps apart, that was a parallel scale. But its never that clean. Rather, in phase 1 theyre 2k dps apart and then in phase 4, theyre like 1.5k dps apart. The lower class gained enough extra DPS to close the gap to 1.5k, so its better than being 2k behind, but its still behind by a large amount. In some cases like with arms you can actually get worse, having that gap increase per phase 
This is what we have seen with warrior. We saw through ToC week 1 to the final week that warrior didnt really scale better than any other classes. Its not the worst scaling, but its not even necessarily the best. In Phase 2 rogue even got more dps. Feral, combat, ret, MM, etc all have the same scaling curve.
We’re seeing feral get almost the same DPS per item in ICC as warrior, despite being significantly ahead of warrior. Even on a cleave fight like Valks where a warrior spams cleave, feral’s single target DPS beats warrior. This is why in ICC feral becomes #1. It scales like warrior but is starting off 20% ahead of warrior because of meta breaking changes.
Ret is also ahead of warrior on most ICC fights right now, and actually scales harder than warrior, meaning it will continue to be ahead all of ICC. Thanks again to meta breaking, arbitrary “exceptions” (as Zirene the QA dev put it) to changing balance.
Yeah, seriously, stay in school.
Yes, ret has early power spikes in form of a broken trinket and a decent 2 set.
We did in ToC as well but you weren’t crying back then.
You can define it that way, but it’s still not linear across an expansion.
Except that the tiers are designed to increase your DPS by a % so that they stay noticeable. It’s only linear if you look at 2 points, which always make a line.
Stats interact to create a slight exponential scaling as they increase from tier to tier.
Warriors are upset they arent the special snowflake that deserve everything, everywhere all at once…
And you arent getting a Shadowmourne first, otherwise you wouldnt be crying about it
This is what’s making furies cry. Yet you’re still near the top even without SM. You just have competition now.
Cope.
Warriors historically and currently being the biggest babies of the wow community transcends from classic to retail. At least shamans just have bus shock which is funny. Warriors literally cannot handle being 2nd place.
At least they’re consistent in that regard.
We DKs get to live out our old power fantasies in WOTLK, but are resigned to the mediocrity of Retail DK.
And its funny how they always say they never played warrior in vanilla when it was by far the most popular and strongest class.
Now that theyre no longer top dog (still doing very well) theyre having meltdowns.
Dark Legacy did a comic about this in 2016.
https://www.darklegacycomics.com/558
Tldr, if Blizzard perfectly balanced all dps specs to do exactly the same warriors would be crying snot about getting their class name changed to be higher on an alphabetical list.
You got it. They don’t want balance they want to be king again like they were in vanilla.
Being A-tier isnt high enough for them.
to be fair, looking at the current averages in ICC, warriors’ best spec (fury) is sitting middle of the pack, while arms is bottom five. pretty far fall for a class that’s supposed to start dominating this tier (although, obviously this might change once they start getting more gear, if guilds don’t prio dk/rets over warrs still)
the CURRENT averages for the week being (in order from first to last): UH dk, survival hunter, affi lock, feral, assass rogue, fire mage, marks hunter, ret, fury warr, combat rogue, spriest, destro, enh sham, demo lock, ele sham, BM hunter, boomkin, arcane mage, arms warr, sub rogue, frost mage, blood dps spec, and gladiator build warr
It’s been predicted in Sims since Nax 2.0 that Fury was not going to perform as well in relation to other classes compared to original WoTLK.
The logs have been showing Fury consistently at low end for P1, lower middle P2, middle P3, with projections from sims of upper middle in P4 though top 5 with Shadowmourne.
Essentially, anyone who has followed this for any length of time has known that Warriors were always going to struggle to perform without Shadowmourne but would be competitive with it.
The question is then whether that is acceptable. To me it is, to other players it hasn’t met their expectations.
Where I was a little peeved was with the p1 and 2 - especially the fast response to the firey enchant nerf. The logic was based on a level of scaling that really wasn’t ever going to happen. Fury scale well but not “insanely” in WoTLK at this patch point. But honestly there’s no point addressing it in the phase when we are finally competitive.
It just means that throughout WoTLKC Warriors as a class have been a very weak option. But right now they’re okay and if you stuck with it in a decent guild you will likely get a weapon that makes it mostly worthwhile. Any change should probably have been considered in P1 not now though.
Notably, competition for Shadowmourne is considerably eased due to changes to the quest and resources.
It’s still early and SM will boost the furies/rets. Furies won’t be #1 but they will still be a-tier with SM (same goes for rets).
We’re going to see way more SMs this time around, that’s for sure.
possibly, but there’s little they could have done without completely breaking furies like they did with ferals. They learned their lesson after the feral debacle and so nobody else was tuned after that (enh shammies especially need some love but probably won’t get any).