Stop trying to gaslight about warriors

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Once again you are straight up lying or being intentionally misleading.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1015#region=1&timespan=1000
Should come up with better lies than these ones that can be disproven in 2 seconds on WCL.

Trying to be deceptive by combining specs and then comparing classes Warrior vs. Paladin, not individual specs, you know why that is stupid, misleading and irrelevant. If Prot Warr was the meta, S+ tier tank and overpopulated as hell, would you expect Fury to get nerfed? Prot/Holy population has nothing to do with Ret buffs, and for the hundredth time, prot/holy being so popular is what makes our utility less necessary.

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How is you not being able to read being deceptive? I said “class” and also Kris Zierhut specifically said class as well. As it is, your own link showed paladins almost 3x as popular as warriors.

If Holy and Prot Pal were terrible and Prot war was insane, then warrior would no longer be the most qualified recipient of buffs per the criteria laid out.

Ret was good before buffs as a spec. Raids wanted it and brought it before the buff. Everyone also knew it was slated to be very strong in ICC without buffs. But it got buffs anyway. There is no defense of that, especially in light of how badly it broke class ranks.

The Feral and Ret changes are absurd. Heck even trap launcher being added to the game is dumb. Going into melee to put a trap when you want to AOE is how Hunter in WOTLK plays. Why are we getting these stupid changes? And if we are getting them, why are they not considering the data to at least evenly distribute them? Best case is no changes outside of bug fixes and maybe extreme outliers. Pet QoL and garg changes are tolerable I guess, because of how outlandish they are. Even fiery proccing bleeds for warrior as a nerf… sure. But then why wasnt 70k dps rogue aoe nerfed? None of this stuff is consistent.

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How is you not being able to read being deceptive?

Because Holy/Prot population is actually completely irrelevant to this class balance discussion for Ret. Outside the fact that because it’s so high, our utility is less necessary.
You know that holy/prot representation means nothing in this context, yet you continue to try and mislead people with it, to try and convince people that Fury is this poor oppressed spec and that Ret are the big mean bullies from high school picking on you.

If Holy and Prot Pal were terrible and Prot war was insane, then warrior would no longer be the most qualified recipient of buffs per the criteria laid out.

what? they don’t buff people because the class is underplayed in classic, that’s not how this works…

Ret was good before buffs as a spec.

Nah.

Raids wanted it and brought it before the buff.

Actually nope. Lost around half of our population after they announced we would get no buff, during Ulduar progression we were getting dropped in favor of Arcane a lot. Mass rerolls happened, people doomposting in Light Club…

Everyone also knew it was slated to be very strong in ICC without buffs

Everyone thought that it should be because it was in 2010. But guess what - current math shows that was never actually going to happen, just subtract the DPS from the buff, it’s really not hard… we’d be bottom DPS until SM months from now without buffs. You just refuse to accept that.

Heck even trap launcher being added to the game is dumb.

You’re literally against a huge QoL increase change simply because it doesn’t fit your standard of “this is how it used to be” but when I tell you that Ret was a top 5 dps class all throughout the expansion you don’t offer me that same logic. That’s how it used to be, so Ret should be high DPS. You contradict yourself so much.

why are they not considering the data to at least evenly distribute them?

your class is already slated to be a top dps, you are sooooo whinyyyyy like a little baby man cannot stop crying wahh wahh aggwend pwease buff me the neighbor kid is having more fun than me

Can I ask you, how does this Ret buff affect you personally? How does it make the game tangibly worse for you, the fact that we do the same DPS as you?

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So you don’t have anything useful to say but instead retreat back into your stupid argument that’s been disproven over and over?

Yeah, you should really just stop posting now. Forever.

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People in light club pushing cleric setups that spend half of their GCDs casting flash of light to try to feel better about their trash DPS… but really are just now failing extra hard at two jobs.

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Find it hilarious people are treating Classic content like it’s some kind of retail mythic level of difficulty.

Play the class you enjoy most and you can clear content.

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there is no reason that the most parsed class with the best tank and best healer spec also needs an S+ tier dps spec. Warrior tank is one of the least used, isnt highly desired, and it has 1 useless dps spec and 1 meh dps spec that is now worse than ret.

Its completely relevant. We dont need “exceptions” to class balance because the senior game producer plays ret paladin. You either make all classes balanced or you leave classic alone, especially a spec liker ret that is a lot more popular and useful than you will ever give it credit for because you just want to be OP.

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They can always unNerf our Titans Grip… Problem solved… :rofl:

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I think 5 percent tg nurf would be fair

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How to make warriors vanilla level broken again in 1 simple step

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Oh but it’s ok to buff cats lol

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No…no it wasn’t. We launched on the final patch. So we knew where DPS were going to stand come final patch in ICC. Buffing crybaby Paladins and Ferals just so they aren’t in the middle of the pack like they were in ICC is just silly.

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Also wcl should add tott to your DMG :+1:

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Being an absolute baby while calling other people crybabies is not a good look dawg.

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Yes. Cats aren’t broken. That buff would break warriors and put above all other dps by a large margin. Nice to know warriors just want to be broken again. Was the goal all along

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They have 0 devs who play warriors/rogue and it shows. No wonder they outsource to fight club on every little thing because they’re clueless

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Sounds made up

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I’ll up you one and say “they have zero devs playing the game”.

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ferals have the same profile and scaling as warrior. They got a 20% boost, and then a nerf so it was only 15, and they threatened devs so now its back to 20%. If you removed the 10% penalty on TG entirely, warriors would still be well below feral in the same ilvl gear, with a legendary being the only way to get close to closing the gap.

THe devs clearly have no problem making a class extremely overpowered. Lowering TG to 5% would be significantly less of a buff than ferals got POST NERF to their 15% state, muchless their current 20% buff stage.

Only reason it isnt happening is partially. We’re on aggrend’s private server. Zirene himself said “ret was an exception to the rule about not doing class balance for balance sake.”

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How do you still not grasp how this scaling thing works?

Where the hell did you get 20%?

No, this is not a thing. Fury warriors would be well over 1000 dps ahead of #2.

Stop it, please.

You should really read the entire thing rather than snippets that you cut into your supposed narrative feed. Cause he fully explained why rets aren’t getting touched.