Stop throwing gear around and rewarding mindless play

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

I suspect Blizzard is doing this is, since we don’t have any sort of alternate advancement system presently, throwing high level gear at us is much easier than crafting interesting content for me to do at my skill level (ie Class Order Hall type quests with unique transmogs/mounts I can collect for doing those).

Wish they did have a better profession system and quest for some cool gear recipes.

[Jiragha-illidan]

It is 425 because the next patch will be increasing the ilvl. This was explicitly stated by blizzard. Imo it too soon but you havenit because its before the ilvl increase.

Rest of your post is nonsense.
Once the content is irrelevant of course ypu will see people solo it. By that logic, noone should be able to play BFA jntil they get the gear necessary to fimish the raid of that expansion before going to thr next one.

Irrelevant content can be soloed, that isnt what makes people upset, so you are bringing up an irrelevant topic ik n itself.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

I would like the game be liked by all and not separated by a single path for gear

That doesn’t mean anything meaningful considering there are multiple path “to get gear”. Like M+, pvp and raiding. You don’t feel to participate on any paths and decide to harvest flowers and kill wolves? Yea that shouldn’t go near anything close to heroic level of gear.

We all work for it in different ways for different reasons ,not one is worse or wrong.

That’s a rollercoaster. It’s not because we all work in different ways or even reasons that we should get rewards of the same level. Like how people with different jobs get paid differently.

So this gear people are "crying " about is not endgame it’s beginners game .We will all of us start anew in 8.2.

Which isn’t true because, patches are not complete reset of gear. Heroic level of gear now will let you skip tons of content in 8.2 (LFR/heroic dungeons/m0, etc.) , that is more meaningfull/hard than any content that you did before if you only did wqs.

[Jiragha-illidan]

The 3 you mentioned will not be considered endgame anymore. The ilvl you get from that content will be lower than the content from 8.2.

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

Well said!

[Jiragha-illidan]

I think Asmongold said it best.
People who applaud themselves for stuff 16 years ago are silly.

True mmo players indeed.
Back in my day, surviving smallpox and polio was a badge of honor.

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

I agree with this 5,000,000 percent. I can’t overstate how important class design is. And how the lack of it is the true problem.

To drive this point home, I’ve had every class at cap every expansion since BC and I had most of them at cap in vanilla to boot. This is the worst it’s been for me. I try everything, but this expansion has the least number of specs I enjoy in the entire time I’ve played the game. And I’m some crazy guy who plays everything, what about the guys that only have one or two toons at max? If they don’t enjoy their characters they don’t have every other class in the game to switch to. Of anything, this is the most common complaint I hear from folks that’s actually about the game itself. And with Blizzard pushing M+ as a competitive thing it’s just worse. The expectation is that when talking about competitive content the meta will include at least one spec of each class viable in specific comps or countercomps, and unfortunately right now diversity is at an all time low both in arena tournaments and the MDI. It’s really bad.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

That doesn’t mean anything meaningful considering there are multiple path “to get gear”. Like M+, pvp and raiding. You don’t feel to participate on any paths and decide to harvest flowers and kill wolves? Yea that shouldn’t go near anything close to heroic level of gear.

You know too well that’s not true in BFA.

That’s a rollercoaster. It’s not because we all work in different ways or even reasons that we should get rewards of the same level. Like how people with different jobs get paid differently.

It’s all work we love to enjoy,ahm,enjoy

Which isn’t true because, patches are not complete reset of gear. Heroic level of gear now will let you skip tons of content in 8.2 (LFR/heroic dungeons/m0, etc.) , that is more meaningfull/hard than any content that you did before if you only did wqs.

Not the gear but the difficulties of the Mobs coming up ,So we are either going to get higher gear ilv or set goals to achieve that gear.Or why wouldn’t we have quests in the first place to pick flowers for nothing in your eyes?

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

The 3 you mentioned will not be considered endgame anymore. The ilvl you get from that content will be lower than the content from 8.2.

…what do you mean? The difficulty changes per patch… ofc those will be endgame…

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

Rest of your post is nonsense.

I was just answering YOUR post, and my statements are 100% accurate. I guess that makes yours nonsense.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

To drive this point home, I’ve had every class at cap every expansion since BC and I had most of them at cap in vanilla to boot. This is the worst it’s been for me. I try everything, but this expansion has the least number of specs I enjoy in the entire time I’ve played the game. And I’m some crazy guy who plays everything, what about the guys that only have one or two toons at max? If they don’t enjoy their characters they don’t have every other class in the game to switch to. Of anything, this is the most common complaint I hear from folks that’s actually about the game itself. And with Blizzard pushing M+ as a competitive thing it’s just worse. The expectation is that when talking about competitive content the meta will include at least one spec of each class viable in specific comps or countercomps, and unfortunately right now diversity is at an all time low both in arena tournaments and the MDI. It’s really bad.

Amen to that dude, every class feels the same to me and it makes the game so dang boring… I’m the same as you I have a lot of alts, I enjoy messing around on them. There’s my war who I’ll always love no matter what and then maybe Hpal/Elly shaman… that’s it the other classes are all so similar and dull. It’s super boring. The depth just isn’t there, and this leads to classes being able to be replaced and swapped out because they don’t bring anything to the table that a stronger class can. IE in PvP Wars are replaceable by rogues, dks and wws easily.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

boring

There you go,Boring.

[Jiragha-illidan]

I already sgave the explanation as to why things are that way. You are intentionally being facetious.

@kydrav: Which raids are you referring to?

I am not so surenid argue the classes being the same. Some play very different from others.

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

Amen to that dude, every class feels the same to me and it makes the game so dang boring… I’m the same as you I have a lot of alts, I enjoy messing around on them. There’s my war who I’ll always love no matter what and then maybe Hpal/Elly shaman… that’s it the other classes are all so similar and dull. It’s super boring. The depth just isn’t there, and this leads to classes being able to be replaced and swapped out because they don’t bring anything to the table that a stronger class can. IE in PvP Wars are replaceable by rogues, dks and wws easily.

Absolutely agree with all of that.

It really blows my mind how many specs they changed to revolve around burst cooldowns this expansion. Many of them feel bad outside that burst window. There’s a handful of specs that are just good all the time on all content, aoe or single target but most specs do okay at one and weak at the other. All casters except ele shaman are prettymuch bad at M+ due to the constant disruptions of forced movement (mob pulls, pushes, constant aoe to move from, interrupts and silences, then add in the affixes that basically screw casters and have no meaningful impact on melee such as quaking and volcanic) and high cooldown interrupt if they even have them (balance druid 1 min, demo lock doesn’t even have one). A lot of the problem is that the specs that feel great disregarding damage don’t do good damage and the ones that do good damage don’t feel great to play. I could give you a laundry list of complaints for every single spec in the game dps wise right now. It just not worth it to do so as people who main those specs have written up giant complaint lists before and they just get ignored.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

@kydrav: Which raids are you referring to?

The thread is about WQs giving 430 gear in 8.2, these ilevels are equal to that of heroic palace (8.2 raid).

I am not so surenid argue the classes being the same. Some play very different from others.

They all feel extremely similar and shallow, class design this expansion is so poor it’s disgusting. Back in earlier expansions, classes felt different because each brought something unique to the table, that’s not the case anymore.

Absolutely agree with all of that.

It really blows my mind how many specs they changed to revolve around burst cooldowns this expansion. Many of them feel bad outside that burst window. There’s a handful of specs that are just good all the time on all content, aoe or single target but most specs do okay at one and weak at the other. All casters except ele shaman are prettymuch bad at M+ due to the constant disruptions of forced movement (mob pulls, pushes, constant aoe to move from, interrupts and silences, then add in the affixes that basically screw casters and have no meaningful impact on melee such as quaking and volcanic) and high cooldown interrupt if they even have them (balance druid 1 min, demo lock doesn’t even have one). A lot of the problem is that the specs that feel great disregarding damage don’t do good damage and the ones that do good damage don’t feel great to play. I could give you a laundry list of complaints for every single spec in the game dps wise right now. It just not worth it to do so as people who main those specs have written up giant complaint lists before and they just get ignored.

This entire expansion is just a huge pile of lazy tbf.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

The raid wouldn’t be out til july16th, but the patch is on may the 28th.

[Jiragha-illidan]

That is because palace goes up to mythic and the mythic otems are higher in ilvl and difficulty.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

So you’re saying it’s ok to ignore ilevel content below mythic?

You shouldn’t be able to do WQs to get into Mythic raids what? Do you realize how backwards that sounds?

You should have do to do heroic raids.

[Jiragha-illidan]

For what purpose?
Again, heroic is not what it used to be. In cata and wotlk. you would see new phaes and mew mechanics to the boss.
That changed with the introduction of mythic. Archimonde doesnt go into his finger of death phase unless its mythic.

Mind you, I did not say I agree heroic should be dismissed, but with mythic keys they get ignored anyway.
You would still do heroic to understand mechanics and get useful trinkets you would desire.

Mind you, I do think they coule make wq ilvl below heroic, but I dont agree with the message of not allowing alternative gearing methods, particularly when those methods are much more time consuming.

For example I will use the mmo RIFT.
Pvp gear cannot be used to gear up for raid though, so it caused pains in the community since pvpers have to grind twice as much.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

Here how it’s going to take time,and our gear wouldn’t matter that we have now.

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