Stop throwing gear around and rewarding mindless play

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1686

Pardon me,you got it wrong,I’m for casuals not elilists oh wow ,now you’re trolling.Did you even read my post or are you just speed read through.

1687

Let me go back and reread. I’ve been smoking so I’m probably reading completely wrong.

1688

Ok so in turn, let me ask you this.

Jim is doing challenge mode dungeons with his buddies to unlock the cosmetic sets that are rewarded for completing difficult dungeons that take skill and practice fo complete, they need to get gold time(time limit) to unlock them. They do this in 3 months, and are happy because they unlocked feeling rewarded for beating their challenge.

John does a WQ for a year, nothing too difficult just right clicking 12 flowers for Mary Sue once a day for an hour. He believes because of this, that he should also have the cosmetic sets Jim unlocked from the content that you couldn’t complete without having a good amount of skill.

Do you feel John is in the right?

1689

May I ask what you were smoking? :open_mouth:

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1691

That is the biggest gripe I have with TF/WF even though I support it. More casual players want upgrades, and if you are at 400 ilvl from WQ/Warfronts/Emissaries then the only place to get a likely Upgrade without TF/WF is +10s or heroic raids. If I had to give a reason to get rid of the system that would be it. Not to discredit player skill, but if you havent done the +5 then why are you doing the +10?

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1692

Except your comparison does not work because that is notnwhat is occurring in the least. Not only are you suggesting they qill receive the exact same gear, a point which has repeatedly been pointed out as false, but doing wqs does not provide the same benefits as mythic raiding.

You get the best ilvl. WQ dont give such a thing.
You get raid specifix mounts. WQ do not give these mounts.
You get uniqie appearances. WQ do not provide it.

You then say “its better than heroic gear” when heroic difficulty isnt the same as heroic gear in wotlk or tbc. Even then, there are benefits to doing that content because the trinkets are often better overall and have unique appearances.

So, what are you complaining about exactly? What is the issue if all these other issues do not exist as you claim?
Mind you, it is an honest question.
I am puzzled because observation of the issues you indicated point the other way. What information can you provide that indicates this is a true issue?

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1693

May I ask those that have an opinion on wq gear that needs to be in more difficult instances.Have you completed every challenge in BfA for your gear? if so is there any more as of now for a better challenge?

1694

I’m not sure to understand the first question or the relevance of the 2nd. The main progression that they give at high level is titanforging, not a very fun process considering it’s rng on rng.

1695

Besides warforge and titanforge ,in general.

1696

If there was better pvp gear paid with by Honor or conquest I might actually participate in pvp for a change this expansion. This is the first expansion I haven’t even set foot in a BG or matched pvp for that matter

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1697

I was honestly trying to see how far he thought his “I pay $15” argument could take him, wasn’t trying to relate to the WQ topic. I wanted to see if he thought that anything in the game should can be earned by sheer time regardless of difficulty and seems he does.

I’m sure he would have said the same thing had I changed gladiator mount/cosmetic sets to mythic gear and WQs.

As I’ve said multiple times, I’m talking about heroic raids/m10+/rival ranked PvP when it comes to my OP. 430 WQ = 430 Heroic Palace gear, stats may vary but same ilevel time spent doing said WQs or just there being a chance at being 430, doesn’t change the fact that you can get 430 ilevel gear from mindless content like WQs.

If they plan on keeping WF/TF, maybe an answer to higher difficulty would be to increase the chance rate of items WF/TFing in more difficulty content?

I.E: m11 has higher chance of WF/TF than m10.

I know man, it sucks. I wish they’d bring back WoTLK’s PvP gear system I really do.

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1698

That is fine I will only address the issue then regarsing the heroic and mythic.

The only area is Benthic gear, bit this gear requires a large time investment and affects only one slot. This gear takes much longer to gain compared to.mythic raiding, and iirc, will still be qeaker
I dont remally care about heroic because as I said earlier, heroic is not the same as it used to be.

I understand the cause of concern regarding pvp, but the lack of pvp gear I would argue, is the issue rather than ilvl.

1699

  1. Tell that to my hunter that sports 425 world quest bracers (425 is actually HIGHER than base mythic raid drops). Although I do agree that someone who only does world quests will probably never beat an overall i-level of a mythic raider. But they can come closer than they ever have before.

  2. Raid specific mounts that anyone can solo farm in the next expansion.

  3. Unique appearances? See answer 2 above. The only unique appearances that you can never get again seem to be locked behind PvP. Same with mounts.

There really isn’t much incentive to run mythic raids at this point for a lot of the playerbase. M+ is far superior and any gear from any activity can McForge.

On a related note, I really wish they’d change mythic raid size to 15 instead of 20.

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1700

It will be weaker yes, but mythic isn’t the issue it’s that it completely devalues the 3 end game contents I listed earlier. You shouldn’t be able to just pick 12 flowers for 4 weeks and get the same gear ilevel piece as someone who challenged themself in a heroic raid. WQs should be for prepping for current end game content, not negating heroic raids/m10s/rival rated gear.

1701

Ok,no answer.conclusion.Through out this thread the issue was that wq are not challenging enough to be equal to heroic raid. I posed a question and one answered about wf/tf in 30 minutes,so now I’m convinced people are solely -bored.

1702

Couple weeks of heroics, mixed with tons of m+ will normally get you to heroic ilvl. By then you might already have a couple titanforged that removes the need to do some bosses on mythic, or that makes it so you have to get titanforged to progress and that keeps repeating itself more and more if you add the weekly box and more with pvp weekly box too if you do that one too.

Even at high end of raiding the gear rains too hard, and titanforging is the main culprit for removing incitatives at high level, for many reasons power wise. But also personnaly wise it remove the ability to compare one to another effectively, prone the use of using a sim for every piece of gear that drop because nothing is bis. It removes gear as being something that you want and becomes more something that you hate.

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1703

But you did complete the personal challenge of getting to the endgame ,right?

1704

completely agree

and you can enjoy doing mindless content wearing mediocre gear.

not endgame ilvl items

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1705

Imagine if they really do nerf gear avenues to appease the egos of certain players. I’d feel so slimy lobbying for nerfs.

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1706

If you give blizzard an inch they’ll take a mile which they have done already.

waiting :thinking: