the 15/mo is for server access
I see nothing wrong with higher skill, less time commitment (raiding) being equal to low skill, high time requirement (benethic gear). That’s how FFXIV has done it and it’s worked wonderfully there. I currently have a 400 Ilvl there, which is about as high as it goes, but it took me like 5 months to get there. Raiders got there in a month, and they have fancy mounts and titles to show off.
Plus, this is WoW. You and I both know within a week of the raid being available groups will be demanding an ilvl equal to or greater than the level the raid rewards simply because they want to keep any idea of failure off the table. It’s one of the worst parts of WoW’s community, and this vendor could help alleviate the issues it causes.
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It doesn’t matter. You play the game how you want, and let others play how they choose. The means of the rewards is what matters, not the rewards, in and of themselves.
I don’t think I can agree with that, some people always had requirements to join their group since vanilla. What happens now is that people that should be doing the content, just don’t because there’s no reward for them that they just wouldn’t get by waiting for blizzard to give them heroic level of gear.
That’s more a big picture bfa problem. Not gear fault. You can spam m+ if you really want to catchup and do higher raid difficulties.
I have tried to help the community many time only to be spitted in the face when I tell them how they can get better, there is much people that just don’t want to get better or have social interaction that it becomes awkward to try to help them.
Helping them is also not carrying them, like it is said: give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Not saying I wouldn’t help someone do a hard quest, but there’s also not any of those anymore.
Well it does though. The handout crowd thinks paying 15/mo should net you handouts. In reality it just gains to access, but from there its up to you actually take part in whatever you deem. Expecting handouts just for paying 15 sounds far more entitled than people saying work for what you get
It’s not raining heroic level gear. Every upgrade is going to cost them and I don’t know yet how much, but Blizzard has a long history of making this kind of thing very expensive and take weeks or months to get one piece upgraded.
For all the OP knows it might take 6-8 months to get these pieces upgraded. If it brings back players and helps people get involved into raiding then good for Blizzard.
You guys who are trying to be as exclusive as possible instead of trying to be as inclusive as possible will only end up shutting the game down in the end. I have seen an awful lot of people with this attitude and every single one of those raid grps no longer exist. Every single one has lost people due to time and burn out and in the end they couldn’t get who they wanted or their own apathy caused them to not want to log on with “the rest of the losers” they were carrying. Soon after the raid grp collapsed an that was the end.
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Narcissism? Comon seriously? You think that being awarded gear for challenging content is narcissistic? Jeez lol.
I agree with you the community has gone to crap and that’s because Blizzard has been trying to make an MMO into a solo game with multiplayer features. Lack of server identity in CRZ, lack of guild importance with any raid below mythic(and lack of raid importance due to WQs inflated ilevel from easy content), lack of arena teams.
That’s so ironic hahaha.
So do you believe because you paid 15 a month like I did that you should be able to do a year of battlegrounds vs me doing maybe 150-200 games in an arena season and get a Gladiator mount?
Mage tower. Making cosmetics the true reward for raiding would both give people a reason to run it and make gear equalization more palatable, since that’s what the masses want apparently. If cosmetics are the reason thought, it only works with exclusivity, which is not a bad thing, especially for cosmetics. You can’t have it both ways unless you ok with the sub loss of raiders totally. Which I’m pretty sure you are. Is blizzard?
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Here the thing. what is work ? What’s the difference if one person works as a goal and one that get it from a raid?
One requires a pulse and an IQ above 15 to complete
WQs dont
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There is no difference it’s all work regardless you put an efferent to reach a goal no matter what it is.
Whether one does a WQ or a Mythic raid, that person has to do something before they receive a reward; therefore, it’s not a handout. I agree that players should work for a reward, but just because some players in the game believe that raiding or Mythic dungeons ought to reward better rewards than other systems, that shouldn’t be the standard for the quality of rewards for other players who neither enjoy nor have time to raid/do dungeons.
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I do agree with you there non of the raid gear i even want to chase for mogging heck the warfront gear imho looks better overall.
I’d argue difficulty of said “work” definitely matters in any case.
Oh but it is
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Mage tower wasn’t exclusive to raiders. It was also content that was out so long that I was able to use catch up gear and get it on about half the specs in the game, even ones I didn’t play that much. What you’re asking for isn’t remotely comparable.
I raid heroic across a variety of characters. I’m not going anywhere anytime soon so that automatically means your claim about losing raiders totally is bunk. And perhaps you missed it but the loot progression system isn’t getting reigned in the way you’d like, so, uh, I’m absolutely positive that if you’re going to bail because of loot or exclusive rewards, then yes, Blizzard is perfectly fine with it considering they aren’t taking any feedback about item progression seriously enough to alter course.
If you break it down it would be a selective( an separation) but the work is a motion to achieve an idea or object.
let me give an example,if I were a manager with a goal to finish a project.I have 5 people on this project and i said finish no matter how .Let them go at it ,each one would do the project according to their experience ,and each would do it differently but the goal is finished.
Each person work is different but the goal is finished.
Blizzard has been extremely lazy when it comes to cosmetics this expansion, it’s really sad.
I guess I don’t understand where the problem is with rewarding raiders with mythic cosmetic class sets rather than the one size fits all crap they have now.
Do you feel challenge mode sets/weapons, elite pvp sets/gladiator mounts are/were bad for the game because of their exclusivity and time-sensitivity?
At the very least since gear is not the carrot for folks now, they need to add a new carrot for people who do chase them. Cosmetics are a good way to do that.
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You seem to be wanting to only compare benthic gear, when wqs right now gives heroics gear, warfronts and world bosses too, spray some titanforging to make it better voilà a rain of heroic level loot.
There is already actual “non-brainless” that help people come back like I said with M+.
Guilds collapse all the time for any reasons. But that doesn’t necessarly makes players quit. I have left guilds to join better ones, and that’s just how it work if you want to play with better players. To have fun it’s indeed better/easier to play with people like-minded.
Who do you think you’re fooling? I have yet to see a single person who preaches exclusion that wasn’t a narcissist on some level. You want to stand out because you’re so much better. Well, that’s why I liked the Mage tower, that was one of the best idea’s Blizzard came up with in years. Gear that looked super cool that was exclusive to those who completed the challenged. That’s also why I want Tier gear back. I think aesthetics should be a big part of Heroic and Mythic gear. Do you even know if this upgrade gear is even going to look good? I bet it looks like some green garbage gear that you want to xmog off you asap.
I was quite happy that ilvl wasn’t attached to that skin. It was all aesthetic and that was cool, but wanting to exclude other people who have put hours of work in just so they can upgrade some gear that might take them months to accomplish is just pointless and only further drive people away.
So far at least from what it looks like we both agree here. There is much that has been lost in the game over the years and no one even talks anymore. I would like to see the game go back to a place where dungeon mobs did percentage damage and you had to communicate so that you knew who was going to interrupt and CC.
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