Stop throwing gear around and rewarding mindless play

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

See he thinks he’s special while they are paying with their time and effort to titan forge he thinks killing a boss is more valuable than the hours and hours of grinding super casuals will have to do to obtain the same ilvl gear with crappy stats.

1. Killing a hard boss is more valuable than doing easy content.
2. The stats won’t be worse, raid tier sets aren’t a thing anymore.
3. You’re right though, pet battlers should get mythic raid ilvl gear so long as it takes them a month to obtain it…

[anon68489589]

I’ll put it this way, world quest should be the same ilvl as heroic dungeons. Any gear beyond that should be earned through respective content, if you don’t want to participate in harder content that’s fine but doing mindless content for heroic raid level or 1800-2100 rating rewards should not exist despite the time gate to aquire it.

[Waraila-burning-blade (Waraila)]

I used to play DnD, the tabletop RPG not the video games… (sadly don’t have time anymore and dislike what they did to the setting)… that being said, the most boring campaigns run by DMs, were what is known in RP circles as ‘monty hall’ games.

Where you get thrown loot for killing random goblins, where the effort is negligible and you get rewarded for the most trivial things. You end up too powerful for the scenario, and the DM would have to go to ridiculous lengths, if they were any good, to make the scenarios a challenge. Hint: most who had games go this way, were not good, and so games were boring and no challenge.

When games get this way, you get players who become bored, and as they’re rewarded for nothing, there’s no incentive to do something more difficult or more organised.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

Been like that for a long time,I’m not surprised since raiders sell the carries don’t blame the customer,since raiders set up the problem.

[Natashae-emerald-dream (Natashae)]

I can’t wait for Vanilla WoW so I can leave behind all these ultra casual players that expect good rewards for trivial content.

I’d take that 14 year old game warts and all over this participation trophy mindset brigade that has taken over current WoW.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

I’ll put it this way, world quest should be the same ilvl as heroic dungeons. Any gear beyond that should be earned through respective content, if you don’t want to participate in harder content that’s fine but doing mindless content for heroic raid level or 1800-2100 rating rewards should not exist despite the time gate to aquire it.

Preach, WQs should be for end game prepping not being the actual end game.

You don’t wanna be social in an MMO (ironic) whatever, but they need to make mage tower like content where it’s challenging if you want to solo gear.

That’s not how it works. The gear is lower ilvl and then you have to pay to get it upgraded just like how Argus worked. You are basically working and paying to titan forge. See he thinks he’s special while they are paying with their time and effort to titan forge he thinks killing a boss is more valuable than the hours and hours of grinding super casuals will have to do to obtain the same ilvl gear with crappy stats

1. For starters, WF/TF is a terrible mechanic that shouldn’t exist
2. Difficulty of WQs != that of a raid boss, no matter how long you do them.
3. Participation trophies are bad for the game, doing an easy task over a month still isn’t as difficult as doing a heroic raid in a night or two.

Because that’s not how you get said gear. You’re being extremely disingenuous. Also, it has not “Always” worked that way. Maybe like 3 xpacs ago it did.

For 100th time, time gated WQs are still WQs, no matter how rare or common the manapearls are.

You’re still just doing easy content over a timespan for gear that’s equivalent to that of much harder content, it’s backwards.

[Eyerís-stormrage]

I can’t wait for Vanilla WoW so I can leave behind all these ultra casual players that expect good rewards for trivial content.

I’d take that 14 year old game warts and all over this participation trophy mindset brigade that has taken over current WoW.

I remember those days.

I remember we had such a hard time filling up raids. The slog of gearing someone for tier 3 content crippled the guild. Less than 1% of the players in the game had the gear to play it. I couldn’t play the content even if I wanted to.

I am certaininly not going through that crap ever again.

If Blizzard were smart they would disable all the raids in Vanilla except Onyxia and open world bosses. Those raids can be easily pugged.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

If Blizzard were smart they would disable all the raids in Vanilla except Onyxia and open world bosses. Those raids can be easily pugged.

Yikes…

[Natashae-emerald-dream (Natashae)]

I remember those days.

I remember we had such a hard time filling up raids. The slog of gearing someone for tier 3 content crippled the guild. Less than 1% of the players in the game had the gear to play it. I couldn’t play the content even if I wanted to.

I am certaininly not going through that crap ever again.

If Blizzard were smart they would disable all the raids in Vanilla except Onyxia and open world bosses. Those raids can be easily pugged.

Sounds like a you problem. My guild on a low pop server never had issues filling our raids all the way into Naxx and we were as casual as you could get back then.

Sure, we had to run people though MC sometimes to get them geared up, but we weren’t selfish players like the bulk of WoW’s current population. We didn’t mind helping out new players, because we were interested in the people and building our community. Something that is sorely missing from the current game.

I’m glad you won’t be playing Classic, you are the exact type of player I’d like to avoid.

[Frankrizzo-lothar]

I imagine that the idea was to let everyone get geared, so that every person playing could run the content with everyone else. But what happened, what always happens, is the player base finds a way to gate content from itself. The whole " I know we are wearing the same gear but you’re not good enough" deal.

You elitist have only yourselves to blame for the current way loot is given. They went out of their way to make sure ilvl wasn’t a reason for people to get excluded from content, and you went out and got raider IO. So it’s your fault, deal with it.

on a separate but not separate note, bring back pvp vendors.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

on a separate but not separate note, bring back pvp vendors.

Why even get a pvp vendor when there’s gonna be a wqs vendor for heroic ilvl gear in 8.2

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

and you went out and got raider IO

Something will always exist to weed out the cancers. Always has, always will

Ilvl is dead so now we have Raider IO. You have nobody but yourself to blame for its implementation. You wanted handouts so they created a way to find better players through the ilvl bloat

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

so that every person playing could run the content with everyone else.

Nothing had ever stopped someone from participating in content. You run your own game and you are responsible for how you choose to play.

[Frankrizzo-lothar]

I like the pvp vendors so that I can complete sets, I think from the Darkshore BF I’ve got like 4 pairs of bracers and 3 pair of boots. I just want to buy what doesnt want to drop for me.

[Chaaka-stormscale (Chaaka)]

You elitist have only yourselves to blame for the current way loot is given. They went out of their way to make sure ilvl wasn’t a reason for people to get excluded from content, and you went out and got raider IO. So it’s your fault, deal with it.

Yeah, its always someone elses fault, right?

If you cant get into groups because of io score, then thats on you. You are the only person that can change it.

Edit: just to be clear, I agree being excluded because of io can be annoying, but you do have the power to change that.

[Eyerís-stormrage]

Sure, we had to run people though MC sometimes to get them geared up, but we weren’t selfish players like the bulk of WoW’s current population.

What does that mean?

Our players were tired of doing the same content over and over again just to gear up other players to play tier 3. Thats what crippled our guild and many other guilds. It took Blizzard awhile to learn from that mistake.

I suspect that the old school players like you could have its own niche server environment. Just so you know, raiding was not part of the original design plan. WoW was supposed to be an open world leveling, interactive book and social experience.

In my opinion, raiding created segregation in the community.

Players wanted the gear, they didn’t want to raid. Keep the raids, remove all the gear rewards from that content and I’m really curious to see how many of you there would be left.

[Zoumz-zuljin (Zoumz)]

Players wanted the gear, they didn’t want to raid. Keep the raids, remove all the gear rewards from that content and I’m really curious to see how many of you there would be left.

Remove the gear from wqs and see how much people keep doing them?
Raids were a big part in the design of wow moreoever rewards attach to them, there’s even that old video about their design. This one.

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

remove all the gear rewards from that content and I’m really curious to see how many of you there would be left.

Remove the gear from any content and it will crash down.

What the hell is the point to this nonsense? People wont do anything they dont find rewarding

[Frankrizzo-lothar]

Nothing had ever stopped someone from participating in content. You run your own game and you are responsible for how you choose to play.

You are right, anyone can start their own group. My point is that their are a lot of good players that want to do more than heroics and LFR. But because of a RL schedule the only way they can do that is by joining a group. Some folks just need foot in the door.

[Spiçy-area-52 (Spiçy)]

But because of a RL schedule the only way they can do that is by joining a group. Some folks just need foot in the door.

There are guilds that run at all times. There is a LFG tool for solo players to find groups. The door is wide open. You have to actually be willing to step inside without expecting to be carried through the door