Stop throwing gear around and rewarding mindless play

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

Gear elitism is pretty lame. Just because you have mythic+ raid gear doesn’t mean you’re skilled or talented or elite. Just means you were in a raid and got (or bought) loot drops. Nothing is more pathetic than trying to act superior because you do Video Game Content

Uhhh, doing more difficult content obviously means the person is skilled/talented enough both of those take much more skill to complete than helping Bobby Joe take his pony to the stables. Taking Bobby’s pony the stables shouldn’t give the same as heroic/m10/rival ilevel gear.

What’s not amusing is the stress of raiding, getting prepared for that night, keeping the schedule (making my husband drive faster to get home), that feeling of not screwing up to ruin the fight for 19 other people, getting yelled at for screwing up, etc. Not my idea of entertainment. I’ve had good “casual” guilds who raided without stress but that’s hard to find with today’s strangers. Besides the whole “omg its a gurl” thing.

I mean that’s fine, nobody is forcing you to raid but in turn you don’t deserve somebody who does dedicate their time doing challenging content for doing WQs with Bobby Joe.

I’d rather join random BGs and melt faces or fight my way to a WQ or do long complicated quest chains for a new pet. Or hundreds of other things to do in this game besides committing to another obligation/job like raiding.

I love PvP, I do it daily it’s my main drive in this game and has been since Vanilla. At the same time, none of the content you listed above is difficult in comparison to heroic/m10/rival pvp and shouldn’t reward the same because of that.

Rewarding should be based on difficulty/skill required not time spent.

[Hàlfpînt-stormrage]

People do enjoy different things, but if they suck they shouldn’t be able to get good gear.

[Hircineswolf-dalaran]

this argument never makes any sense. you should not, in any game, be allowed to wear the best of the best without doing the hardest content in the game.

Blizzard should just start everyone at 120 with 400 ilevel at this point

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

Is anyone else in disbelief over folks defending Heroic level gear as a reward for killing 10 bears?

[Meriweather-thunderlord]

Some people believe in welfare and handouts while the other half of us still believe people should work for what they have.

/facepalm

That isn’t the argument, and you know it. You’re just trying to throw salt. Whatever. You win the internet. I cannot stand in the face of your NaCl wall of razor sharp sarcasm.

Look. Unless you’re M+'ing 15’s or higher and/or mythic raiding…you aren’t doing any content in this game that makes you a bleeding edge worker. You’re just not. So have fun or don’t.

I’ll continue “not working” for my AotC Crucible and “not working” for my 13-15 key progression. And I’ll be totally unconcerned with what people who don’t do that content with me are collecting from world quests.

[Chrispy-sargeras]

Players returning to the game can be geared and raid-ready for heroic or mythic raiding in less than a week after hitting 120. How on earth is that bad for the game? It isn’t. It’s only bad for people who derive pleasure from being able to vastly outgear people who don’t do their content.

Your point is useless. Raid ready ilvl 400 is heroic gear. Get they get there welfare gear and out gear heroic in a week. Get bored and quit again. Moving on.

That emissary gear allows your raid to fill the roster quickly. It allows players who don’t have the hours to invest in grinding up ilvl the ability to get gear and join a raiding guild.

Effort for reward. All i gotta say.

They might as well start rewarding mythic raid gear from WQ’s too while they are at it… They are going down a slippery slope.

Thats the sad part. They probably will

[Maga-blackrock]

Why can’t we go back to a system that actually makes sense again for ilvl.
Raiding/Arena/Rbg/M+ top end gear
WQ below Normal Raid gear.

Work your way out of the dumpster instead of being spoonfed gear. WQ should NEVER be equal to any form of raiding/M+/arena.

Also bring back PVP vendors ION you hypocritical idiot.

[Cladis-korgath]

/facepalm

That isn’t the argument, and you know it. You’re just trying to throw salt. Whatever. You win the internet. I cannot stand in the face of your NaCl wall of razor sharp sarcasm.

Look. Unless you’re M+'ing 15’s or higher and/or mythic raiding…you aren’t doing any content in this game that makes you a bleeding edge worker. You’re just not. So have fun or don’t.

I’ll continue “not working” for my AotC Crucible and “not working” for my 13-15 key progression. And I’ll be totally unconcerned with what people who don’t do that content with me are collecting from world quests.

lol alright.

[Gaunterr-wyrmrest-accord]

Is anyone else in disbelief over folks defending Heroic level gear as a reward for killing 10 bears?

I am scared over this game’s future after reading some of the comments here honesty xD

[Vixie-burning-blade (Vixie)]

Rewarding should be based on difficulty/skill required not time spent.

And we’ve all been saying that the highest difficulty levels (that requires skill or memorizing knee-jerk reactions to scripted content) DOES give the highest level gear.

None of those things I do affect you at all and my gear level progress means nothing to you. And visa versa. As it should be.

[Maga-blackrock]

You don’t deserve Heroic raiding gear for killing 3 bears and turning in 6 acorns.

[Lasin-ravenholdt]

I suspect you have a choice, do harder content and get gear faster or do easier content and take forever to gear up.

Or maybe not with the extras they are putting on that gear - maybe it will be you have to grind grind that gear so that you can do your content.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

Some people believe in welfare and handouts while the other half of us still believe people should work for what they have.

LOL! Just play the game and get some rewards. Don’t worry about others.

[Senliastra-medivh]

Who spends 20 hours a week progging Heroic? That’s pretty bad. Heroic raiding is pretty casual, it doesn’t take a ton of effort to get AOTC.

[Lasin-ravenholdt]

I missed that quest - please more details.

[Vãrick-emerald-dream (Vãrick)]

Yall are derailing this thread with a pointless debate over who deserves what gear.

PvP doesn’t have vendors for literally no reason. PvP has to slave away and pray for gear at a worse rate than completing literally any form of PvE. AT Best, you can stack your group with friends and PvE and gear a boosted alt out in one day, trading yourself loot streamer style. At worst, you put in more time and just use a vendor to guarantee yourself loot.

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

Is anyone else in disbelief over folks defending Heroic level gear as a reward for killing 10 bears?

I am scared over this game’s future after reading some of the comments here honesty xD

It’s mind boggling. They’d have a point if it was challenging to compete, but doing WQs is a chicken chaser job. It’s not a saving the world job.

It doesn’t even feel like an RPG any longer. Old Aunt Joan is giving out Heroic Tier gear from her garden shed.

[Incarnatiøn-illidan]

And this is why this game is in the toilet took out templates for pvp but didn’t add vendors i’m not saying that templates were great but it did stop the pve’ers from having the advantage in pvp.

[Cladis-korgath]

LOL! Just play the game and get some rewards. Don’t worry about others.

True. brb, got a few wq’s I need to finish for some heroic ilvl gear.

[Kydrav-bleeding-hollow]

And we’ve all been saying that the highest difficulty levels (that requires skill or memorizing knee-jerk reactions to scripted content) DOES give the highest level gear.

None of those things I do affect you at all and my gear level progress means nothing to you. And visa versa. As it should be.

Again, heroic/m10/rival pvp should not reward the same as WQs. The skill gap between the content isn’t even remotely close.

It does mean something to me, it means that you’re being rewarded comparable gear to someone who tries to actually do challenging content like those 3 I’ve listed. It makes the game feel unrewarding and total diminishes what WoW, at it’s core, was about that being progression through difficult content for better gear.