This whole discussion is opinionated, especially now before it’s live and we can see what does or does not flesh out for predictions on what will come.
Sure.
Start by rebuking madseason because all you did was say nothing he said was valid.
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I’m not gonna go through video again just to discuss it with you… unless you wanna bring up his points because you can’t come up with your own, this conversation is dead.
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Well let me save you time
It’s an opinion backed by unfounded feelings.
My favorite was him saying that bots will become 80x (#is close but wrong off the top of my head) more efficient due to boosts. Then he proceeded to use arbitrary random #s pulled from someone else’s opinion to create some horrendous napkin math. Literally made up everything then pointed to it as a fact
I was laughing the entire time. Who actually eats this crap up!?
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They will if it means faster route to gold farm. Gold is not cheap, and if anything, the only major barrier to entry is the time sink to level up.
Yea I remember listening to it while I was playing a game… I like madseason, but I just feel he’s making it too personal. The game doesn’t revolve around the purist’s experience… every player is different, some are like me and will only play if a boost is available due to vanilla leveling being unbearable but adored TBC.
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My favorite part was when he tried to use the correlation must equal causation by tying the decline in subs to cash shop intros instead of pointing out that they correlated with progressively less and less popular expansions after Icecrown which was, in the minds of many players at the time, the true culmination of the Warcraft story.
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They wont. They set up 5 man teams and blast through content 24/7 farming along the way. They hit max level in virtually no time and they will not pay for boosts because that cuts into the profit margins for no real benefit.
Nope
Not gonna stop it
I’m buying boost
Many others will too
Boosts are happening
Boosts will expand to more than one. .
Thanks
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-Old world being abandoned
-Botting will be worse
-Making it easier for cheaters
-Effectively being able to buy gold without getting banned
-Inconsistent target audience of the boost
-In-game advantages based off real world wealth disparities
-Instead of fixing leveling issues (IE: In-game boosts) making it worse
-Bringing players closer to stagnation in a game where stagnation is the enemy
-Opening the door to future cash shop options
He leaves this as his laundry list of overall points as to why he’s against the idea of a level boost. There are others, but that’s his closing argument that he points on the table and while I don’t necessarily agree with all of them the above are them.
I would say a summation of his argument is that the concept of boosts and other in-game shop purchases go against gameplay first.
At this point anything I point out with you will probably be covered in some way shape or form by what Madseason said considering he spent a full hour talking about it. One of the big things I agree with him is that leveling in the early expansions is not intended to be a sideshow whereas in retail the way that content works is that leveling is just a distraction now. The game’s content at max level is now massively more in-depth compared to what you have for options in the early days where after you hit max level you had only a handful of options and if those didn’t appeal to you then you were leveling alts.
For me I think what’s important is to follow the intent of what Blizzard of the old intended for the game to be like. Paid boosts in TBC clearly go against that. The game did not need them then and does not need them now. TBC release and the progression of servers happened exactly the same way as it will for classic and we all survived just fine without being able to swipe our credit cards. Like it’s actually asinine to try to argue that there’s something magically different about the game today than there was 16 years ago. The only change is the players and the game shouldn’t be adapt to the player. If this type of stuff is required for it to exist then the game clearly isn’t popular enough to play.
As far as I’m concerned it’s just blatant monetization at the sacrifice of gameplay. That’s it. They got dollar signs now that they see how popular Classic was and given their current model in retail is about transactions the subscription.
It’s funny because he pointed out how players are demanding the game adapt to them. The whole point of classic was to recreate a certain type of gameplay. Classic came into existence because of the direction retail went, not in spite of it.
If you adore TBC enough you’ll play it regardless of the presence of a boost. If you can’t be brought to level then clearly you don’t care enough about it.
Dude you were literally over here: Botters WILL NOT be buying boosts. Math Inside
Where the OP literally stated he pulled out random numbers to illustrate his point and you had zero issues with it. You have a laughably bad habit of ignoring what’s inconvenient to your side of the debate while attacking the other side for the exact same style of arguments.
And for what it’s worth I saw on my server’s discord a post about all the guildless rogues in BRD presumably farming gold 24/7. The going math appears to be that they can farm 80g per hour which means a bot can average 1920g a day right now, 2k if we want to round up. Even if you want to half that GPH while assuming the boost costs $60 per account they will be in the black by day 2.
There won’t be a boost in Classic. Read the details. There will be a boost with the TBC expansion – only for players doing the TBC expansion. And that’s the same boost that Blizzard makes with EVERY new expansion, and has done for several years. Were all of them bad?
No, all of them added new players to the game. And this boost will too. Did Madseason dismantle that reason? Because it is the only one that matters. The boost is for new players.
If you don’t WANT new players in TBC, your vote doesn’t matter. You are trying to ruing WoW. I don’t care why.
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Nonsense! Who are you to claim someone “doesn’t care enough”. Who are you to decide for other players? Nonsense.
Blizzard says wanting to play TBC is “enough”. Players don’t have to also be willing to spend weeks playing Vanilla. Blizzard refuses to force every player to do that, in order to play TBC.
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I love it when people say they can think for themselves and then just regurgitate Blizzards PR marketing lingo - thats thinking for yourself 
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I’m a member of an elite society who determines this.
Old world being abandoned - That’s what happens with new expacs? Don’t try blaming boosts for that, there will be purists and people who don’t wanna give blizzard more money…
Botting be worse - This was his laziest argument, bots? That’s on blizzard to address, saying boosts will make it worse is again, on blizzard… blaming players for wanting to skip bad content.
Making it easier for cheaters - LUL what?
Effectively being able to buy gold without getting banned - How you figure this one? Do you get a bunch of gold with the boost? $60 probably for a meager amount of gold? People will probably still use 3rd party… cheaper and more.
-Inconsistent target audience of the boost - Ok? Again another non-point.
Instead of fixing leveling issues (IE: In-game boosts) making it worse - What happened to the AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCE. Only way to make leveling better in vanilla is to change it completely, make it fun and/or much much faster. The current leveling process is slow, grindy and pushed away players in the past.
-Bringing players closer to stagnation in a game where stagnation is the enemy - The leveling process is a whole lot of this already…
-Opening the door to future cash shop options - so? They’re optional aren’t they? They don’t have to be used, race transfer, factions transfer, name change, whatever… why does that bother everyone so much, it’s not buying strength or skill… you’re paying for something so minimal.
Honestly at the end of all this, I find it sad that purists are so over zealous about a non-issue like boosts. Madseason is one of the best wow youtubers… and he can’t make one valid logical point, every reason sounds personal and wanting people to experience the game the way he does. Everyone has and will have a different experience.
None of this is personal, but I’m waiting for one good argument… I doubt that day will come, but I will wait none the less.
Incorrect for TBC and WOTLK. The game was too new and gaining subscribers throughout the experience thus not only was the game getting a constant player infusion but also because leveling was a major part of the game old players were still leveling alts.
Personally it took me until Cata to get all max level classes. I believe by the end of TBC I was at 5 max level classes.
Harping on Blizzard for “bad” content in a 15 year old game is asinine. The whole of Classic was to bring this type of gameplay back and now we’re being able to pay to skip it.
If bots do use the boost though it’s very likely to get much worse since they will be instance farming and players will be less vigilant about monitoring them.
There’s nothing non-point about it. You can’t claim we need to offer boosts for the new players and then give it to everyone. It’s basically a shameless cover up to justify monetization.
It’d be a real shame if a chart showing the subscriber count rising through WOTLK existed.
I think it’s a weaker talking point but he’s not entirely wrong. People will buy boosts and additional account for tailoring and alchemy CDs because we all know how good that gear is. Can also boost a good farming class.
As far as the cheating talking point I think it feeds into botting as well since they will be running off to instance farm immediately.
No it doesn’t
Apparently leveling is minimal but also a huge annoyance.
Leveling is minimal is simply not accurate for the WoW of old. If it was minimal people wouldn’t pay for mage boosts or Blizzard for boosts. It’s a major time investment.
He wants the game to play the way it did when it launched during those time frames.
…Which is why we wanted classic. Because we didn’t like the way retail went.
You keep saying this like it means something.
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This discussion has become rather boring, you keep trying to push the non-issues, talk about charts like the cash shops were the reason the game started to decline. Madseason’s entire argument is purely emotional. If y’all are so upset about boosts, QUIT. Your friends might miss you but good luck none the less on your search for a private server that fits your needs.
I’m not the one demanding boosts, they’re just a massive plus for me personally. If they don’t give boosts (which is unlikely) I’ll eventually suffer through the terrible leveling process just for TBC…
Guess you didnt watch it.
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Twice actually… both times, I felt the same way… “please, bring a good reason.” and by the end again, same, “that was one of the dumbest arguments i’ve ever heard”
Not sure how a genuine and honest person could come to that conclusion but to each his own I guess.
Best take in this thread. MMOs give the sense of accomplishment from overcoming the grind not necessarily skill, which is why I think WoW was so ubiquitous in its prime.
Teens, stay at home moms, min maxing college kids, and celebrities were all playing together. At it’s peak it never was very difficult mechanically and allowed anyone with the time an dedication to succeed.
Any paid time skips will damage the feeling of accomplishment and untimely hurts the game just like retail.
A similar issue occurred with Diablo III auction house. I was working a lot and my friends got way ahead. After not being able to help during one run I went and spent $50 on gear. I was now better than one of my friends who spent hundreds of hours more than me in game. When he saw how quickly I caught up by spending money, he realized the grind was fake, he was wasting his time, and quit the game.
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