Stop Frost Novaing in dungeons

[Kréia-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Dammit, this a pretty good response.

[Ravid-whitemane]

Reiterating for OP that she wrote that she doesn’t have meters (then wrote that she does, just not dps ones), then in the same breath dismisses the importance of dps.

Smh, this girl’s a piece of work

Wouldn’t someone who doesn’t care about dps not even have meters up.

The mental gymnastics you’re doing to try and argue here are exhausting dude. Go try some yoga instead. I’m getting tired just trying to think about the point you’re trying to make

[Thanksgirl-bigglesworth]

Why are you saying I’m sensitive?

I didn’t say you were sensitive. Look back and see what I actually said. What I said, or at least implied, was that you are overly sensitive. And I said it…because you are.

[Hmm-arugal]

Wrong. Frost Nova breaks from damage at differing times based on damage taken resulting in fractured group packs.

It all breaks at roughly the same time because all the dps are unloading.

Why are we using frost nova when the mobs are under control, there’s no runners, and no threat to the healer?

Because it does much more damage than anything else the mage can do.

Why are you shatter spec at level 60?

Because the raid content is very easy, so optimal specs are not required (raids full of meme specs without consumes are one-phasing Rag) and shatter spec is good in pvp and dungeons.

Why are you including frost Nova into your dps rotation?

Damage.

Look you can play however you want, just recognize that it’s bad, and doing it makes you a bad player.

Says the tank struggling in 5 mans because he does poor threat

[Ravid-whitemane]

I didn’t say you were sensitive. Look back and see what I actually said. What I said , or at least implied, was that you are overly sensitive. And I said it…because you are

How? On the contrary, I’d say I’m being insensitive.

I’m basically telling the mage community at large to learn to play

Next to calling out every rogue, that’s probably the most ballsy, inflamatory thing you could possibly do on the wow forums

[Thanksgirl-bigglesworth]

I’m basically telling the mage community at large to learn to play

And I’m telling you to go back to getting hit in the face with mobs. And do it quietly. That would be a real service. Not like this silly nonsense thread.

Move around little buddy.

[Ravîd-lightbringer]

Says the tank struggling in 5 mans because he does poor threat

Oh hey it’s you again. What are we arguing about now?

Oh I already covered that moot point you made, the OP stated I hold threat very well, and have been complimented multiple times by dps. In fact, I’m a member of a few premade groups and got offered guild invites based on how well I tank

Don’t you have some BRD speed record to be doing or something else nobody cares about?

[Pwntatoes-kromcrush]

You must be a retail reroll lmfao

Doesn’t agree and throws this insult out. 1/10 bro. Plz be more original.

[Thanksgirl-bigglesworth]

I’ll give you this; this was an half decent troll.

[Ravid-whitemane]

It all breaks at roughly the same time because all the dps are unloading

Math, chaos theory, science, real world experience, and basically the universe in general says that’s a fundamentally wrong observation. You even said it yourself. “Roughly”

Yikes

Because it does much more damage than anything else the mage can do.

Sounds to me like the mage needs to get good. Or just focus on control which was the reason the mage was brought

Man if only there were 2 other members of the group who can also do damage. Lmfao

Because the raid content is very easy, so optimal specs are not required (raids full of meme specs without consumes are one-phasing Rag) and shatter spec is good in pvp and dungeons.

Wait so your ENTIRE point is about min maxing. That’s all you’ve been arguing since the first second you posted here. Min max. Min max.

Then when I ask wait why is a level 60 mage shatter spec you tell me “optimal specs aren’t required”

Dude I literally fell off my chair LOL

I SERIOUSLY CANNOT BREATHE RIGHT NOW

[Hmm-arugal]

You complain in your OP about having threat issues.

Now naturally some mobs are unrooted from damage , some still have agro, some don’t, some are moving some are still rooted. Checkmate. The tank in this position can literally do nothing. If they stay to keep generating agro the moving mobs will attack the ranged, chasing the ranged means losing agro on the rooted mobs to dps actually doing their jobs and the healer.

Nobody has threat issues if they’re tanking properly. And the rest of my post was explaining to you that there is a perfectly good reason to nova->cone. I’m leaving now. GL in your 5 mans and I hope you improve and manage to hold threat!

[Ravid-whitemane]

You complain in your OP about having threat issues.

You have lost all credibility in this thread read the post above you lmfao.

Dude I seriously cannot breathe you are something else I need to go catch my breath LMFAO

Edit: BYE

[Hmm-arugal]

Sounds to me like the mage needs to get good. Or just focus on control which was the reason the mage was brought

Man if only there were 2 other members of the group who can also do damage. Lmfao

Mages do the most dmg in dungeons. They are brought because they are excellent at everything.

Wait so your ENTIRE point is about min maxing. That’s all you’ve been arguing since the first second you posted here. Min max. Min max.

Then when I ask wait why is a level 60 mage shatter spec you tell me “optimal specs aren’t required”

No, you geriatric freak. I merely explained to you why someone MIGHT be shatter spec at 60. Nice ‘gotcha’ LMFAO. Cya for real now.

[Ravid-whitemane]

I thought you were leaving lmfao

[Pwntatoes-kromcrush]

Here’s a crazy solution. Make a group and don’t invite a mage?

[Nikolis-atiesh]

Dude I seriously cannot breathe you are something else I need to go catch my breath LMFAO

Edit: BYE

I SERIOUSLY CANNOT BREATHE RIGHT NOW

Every post of yours is a solid

Yikes.

Big yikes

[Kraisqf-herod]

Nova doesn’t stop threat or necessarily mess it up. Melee mobs just prioritize enemies they can hit (i.e. in their melee range) over whoever has aggro.

Frost novaing in dungeons and raids is bad, and is a sign that you are a bad player.

You don’t understand how nova works but you think you do. This is the pinnacle of being bad.

There’s many many more reasons I could put in here on why moving in groups is generally just a sign of a bad player. Only in very, very specific situations should you use nova (protecting ranged, when the mobs aren’t on you yet, when the tank is kiting because the healer is OOM, or just generally as a last resort in desperation). Even facing imminent death, it’s generally better to ice block or just die rather than nova.

There are many reasons to nova.

• Nova saves your healer and DPS from aggro.
• Nova stops a pull from spreading out, giving the tank time to get threat on mobs that would normally be aggroed to other people.
• Nova stops humanoids from fleeing.
• Nova controls a group for AoE.

I could care less what your dps is. I don’t even have meters. All I care is that agro isnt a chore, my healer stays alive, moon is polyester, and that the run is smooth. I don’t care if you’re bottom on dps if you’re doing your job.

That’s nice and all but you are talking about not using one of the best 5 man dungeon CC abilities. Most of the time people aren’t using it to shatter combo, most of the time they are using it to make aggro less of a chore, make your healer stay alive, and make the run smooth.

I just wanted to put out a friendly PSA

This is the most destructive hurtful mindless naive ignorant PSA ever created on this forum in a long time.

This naturally results in a sht show. Everything is spread, dps is inefficient, tanking is inefficient, everything is split, the healer is getting attacked. it’s a mess.

Exact opposite unless the entire group has no idea what nova does. Tanking should be more efficient because everything is rooted for you to get threat on. The healer isn’t getting attacked unless they are stacked on a mob, that would be the equivalent of standing in the fire when your mage just handed you a get out of jail free card. Everything can’t be split if its been rooted.

Stop it

[Ravid-whitemane]

You know what’s funny is in the op I explained the reasons why novaing in a group is bad and why not to do it, and if you must, when it is a good idea (mainly in defensive situations only)

The main point being made was that using frost novas offensively, ESPECIALLY right after a pull is bad, and slows down the flow of the dungeon. Not only that, but it’s actually a liability to your party to not have that defensive ability on hand, or to use in an offensive situation that makes sense (stopping a runner)

Half of these posts are using the straw man argument that I’m claiming you should never ever use frost Nova. Which is not what I said.

The OP is titled “stop using it” not “never use it”. The straw man argument is an easy one but it is easily dismantled by simply reading the OP, where there is a nuanced breakdown of the theorycraft and intricate mechanics involved when you do such a careless move.

Whether or not the tank is holding threat during this process is completely irrelevant , and is yet another logical fallacy known as a red herring that any intelligent person should easily be able to distinguish.

It seems that the forums in general have lost the ability to have nuanced, reasoned discussions about mechanics and discuss the finer points of theory crafting without it devolving into pointing fingers.

“Tank can’t hold threat”. “Need more deeps bro”

These are all irrelevant arguments, and have nothing to do with the point of the op and I sincerely apologise if you let these agitators distract you from the finer points of the game being discussed here.

Hopefully their distractions don’t prevent you from becoming the better mage we all know and hope you can be

Until then, if you are indeed using frost Nova as part of your dps rotation, make no mistake that you are bad and do need to L2P. Step one I would advise respecing from shatter unless you PvP, because it’s not useful endgame or really for farming tbh and your point would be better spent elsewhere.

Additionally, it will help you escape this unhealthy mindset you have picked up regarding frost Nova and will allow you to use it more effectively in all aspects of the game going forward.

drops mic

[Rejjuvenate-bonechewer]

/popcorn

This is keeping me entertained.

[Ravîd-lightbringer]

Okay? That doesn’t matter if you hold aggro

Okay. How do you hold agro on a split group? Spamming demo roar? Lmao

How do you keep swipe threat when half the group is rooted outside melee range? Demo roar?

I don’t think you actually know how to hold threat bud if I’m being perfectly honest. This isn’t BFA

That’s been explained to you numerous times. It’s for the DPS

You must’ve missed the op where I went over all of the downsides. Also, there’s 2 other dps so no worries if we miss out on 50 dps because a mage couldn’t shatter combo I’m sure they’ll pick up the slack

Because not everyone raids and it’s better for dungeons and soloing?

Better for dungeons? This entire post is explaining how it isn’t. What max level mage solo kill farms with shatter spec lmfao

Because it greatly increases the criticial strike chance of your Cone of Cold.

Wow really?

Yikes dude lmfao

More DPS. Faster runs. Mobs die faster, so less damage taken from the tank, less healer mana spent casting heals.

No part of that statement was correct actually you know what I’ll give you less damage on the tank. More damage on the group however.

The entire point of the tank is focusing damage to it. You wanna kite around like a fairy run a spellcleave group