only a sith deals in absolutes
cut them some slack there are only like 2 guys working at customer things and the forums and they are unpaid interns that use their free time on mobile games
- By this logic, every single census & statistic is invalid. Nothing can be trusted.
- wowlogs didn’t send out anything. It was on their front page. People who use logs were the ones to see it, not random Jimmy from Nebraska who logs in once a week to do 1 WQ.
Same goes for a Youtuber such as Willi who collected over 28k responses. He did not quietly hoard pro-LFD-only community all these years to sneak in fake statistics.
100k people make up almost a 1/3 of the entire Classic pop. But if it was sent out, you’d argue that they were specifically targeted to skew the results in one side’s favor.
I’m sorry mate, but if x2 25-28k polls don’t satisfy, nothing will. It’s like talking to a wall.
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No, you would use information from the available resources. You just calling people with voices ‘the vocal minority’ remain confused on the situation.
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Great job real WoW Community, teach this “WoW Community Council” exactly what we’re about.
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So you want us screwed on dungeons AND BGs?
1 is bad enough.
As a PvPeer:
Holy lord yes please.
And limit realm pops to 5k and implement a strict 50% ±2% ratio in pvp servers (a server can never go under nor over 52-48).
And remove that idiocy that is pvp dailies.
I’d rather wait 1 hour for a bg, while actively pvping in the world and having fun, than knowing I’ll get ported back to shattrath and have a world barren pvp targets.
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Imagine being this delusional. People basically only raid log this game. If a wow log poll isn’t enough for you then you’re purposefully being obtuse just to prove a non-existent point.
any1 that try to disqualifie a 28k sample size poll is trolling or arguing in bad faith, maybe both.
I’m a PvPer exclusively and I AGREE with this point.
PvPers should have to queue from the battleground entrance (Blizzard have to add an entrance for EOTS and any later BGs).
During the BG weekend the emissaries should teleport you to the zone.
Players could chat outside the BG, duel, make groups while waiting to join. That is community gameplay.
Blizzard slapped the BG queue system and warmasters in without thinking about it in Vanilla and it was a bad decision.
Arenas are a little different, but the Arena battlemasters should be in Elwynn forest and Durotar respectively so that players can chat and duel in between queues.
Mispeled is actually wrong- BGs and Dungeon entrances could and should be treated the same.
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The thing is, people did this organically in WotLK onwards.
Dalaran sewers is where people would hang between pvp/arena queues because you could duel there…
In cata the front of SW and Org were bustling with pvpers and duelers alike, and they were NEVER forced to be there.
You dont need to force people from on high to congregate, they will do it naturally provided there is a safe space close enough to a relevant city hub that allows dueling.
The reason this doesnt happen in TBC is because to duel you go outside Shatt anf just get ganked mid duel all the time from people leaving. Dal is a sanctuary so there will be much more people there.
No, they shouldn’t be treated the same, otherwise you would need to add a queue for dungeon that prevent people from entering the dungeon until there’s another group doing it as well.
If you want to talk about BG queues, be my guest, just don’t pretend like BGs and Dungeons are one and the same.
Oh, and Diablo Immortal just came out. Time for some real action.
Lol cuz sitting in dalaran insta queueing is fun content
Yes if u literally cant get a dungeon on ur server, they should merge ur joke realm with another realm. but LFD itself sucks
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@Mispeled
yes, sorry, granted, you’re right that the actual queue itself functions differently
but the use of the entrance ‘portal’ could and should be the same to access the instance
you’re quite right, but this line-
“You dont need to force people from on high to congregate, they will do it naturally provided there is a safe space close enough to a relevant city hub that allows dueling.”
-you’re sort of contradicting yourself
the provision or denial of the area to congregate shapes players’ behaviour
it’s not really ‘organic’
But it was historically? People grouped up, talked PvP and dueled in specific locations that are comfortable for all different kinds of players. Despite being able to queue from anywhere in the world. Dedicated pvpers often just chose to hang out in Dalaran sewers.
If people had to go to portal entrances you fracture the pvp playerbase into so many categories that it becomes impossible to pvp in the first place.
The reason Dal sewers works so well is because so many different kinds of players pass through there.
- People queing arena
- People buying pvp gear
- PvE players doing dailies
- People just looking for something to watch while selling stuff in trade
- People who want to duel.
Not only these, but all the people PvPing/dueling have quick and easy access to the AH, trade chat and city portals between games
All these players have reasons to be in the area which is what makes it lively. If people had to queue from portals, then you are literally only going to see the people who want to queue warsong and that is it…
Especially on OCE, there just arent enough players to even make it lively because people literally cant do anything other than sit around waiting for there queue to pop. Sure there might be some dueling, but without enough players dueling can get really stale REALLY quickly.
People were only in Dalaran sewers because the arena battlemaster was there.
(The problem with Dalaran sewers is that all the Alliance and Horde are in the same area and it’s going to get too crowded and laggy)
I don’t see the problem with queueing from Ashenvale for WSG, it’s a good opportunity to duel and chat to other people doing WSG.
Queueing from anywhere in the world is efficient but players have no location to converge on.
How about just stop talking about everything like its a faction vs faction battle. If toxicity is the issue then being uber karens and going on a warpath is like pissing in the wind. Doesnt matter how far out you can pee, its still gonna come back in your face. Lfd is a great tool as long as the primates dont get ahold of it, Its just absurd to see the hundreds of epeen duels in just one thread on the subject, not even relevent to the specific subject. Id assume most here acting like this are adults, just trans generational role playing as their 13yr old selves, judging by the content of some posts. Better tactic would have been to show mama blizzard a mature playerbase that wanted a different experience than retails youth oriented metas.
But that wasnt true for Cata or MoP, both of those expansions had scores of people out the front of SW and Org. So just because the arena master is there doesnt hold water.
So long as there is a non pvp flagged zone that allows dueling, is close to an expansion RELEVANT capital city you will see a pvp community grow and socialise.
Could you even imagine what queing from portal on Arugal would be like? Horde pvpers outnumber us two or three times over and yoy want to queue literally 5 minutes away in a flagged zone? They wont even be evenly dispersed between battlegrounds because we literally have 1-3 BGs going at a time and 90% of them are WSG during the week. Everytime you exited WSG you would have a load of players just waiting there to gank the hell out of the alliance every time you leave a BG.
Really a terrible terrible thing for creating a social pvp environment.
Do you believe that anything other than a 100% sample rate is not useful?
The best place to put the arena battlemasters would be Elwynn or Durotar. Agree?
I get your points about the BG portals, but I still don’t find the city battlemasters suitable. Players are spread around the place and unable to duel.
I’m against queue-from-anywhere as well.