Still no news on AV version

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

I give up, please explain why the architecture of modern servers will dramatically change how 1.12 AV worked.

still at it huh? ahh well merry christmas and happy new years.

i vote for 1.5 av .

[Arazlok-kilrogg (Arazlok)]

Again we probably won’t get a peep out of the Devs until a few months after Classic has already launched right before they release BG’s. I think right now it’s safe to assume 1.12 version of all BGs.

I don’t think Blizzard want’s to put much work into Classic, my idea here is they just want it to be 1.12 without changing anything and just “uncomment” code that releases the new content per “stage.” I don’t think they want to deal with numbers and trying to find a nice balance of optimization as Classic continues.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I thought their statement that 1.12 was the most complete version of WoW was pretty straight forward. We’re getting 1.12 time gating aside.

[Xanthak-durotan (Xanthak)]

Again we probably won’t get a peep out of the Devs until a few months after Classic has already launched right before they release BG’s. I think right now it’s safe to assume 1.12 version of all BGs.

I don’t think Blizzard want’s to put much work into Classic, my idea here is they just want it to be 1.12 without changing anything and just “uncomment” code that releases the new content per “stage.” I don’t think they want to deal with numbers and trying to find a nice balance of optimization as Classic continues.

It would be very unfortunate, but at this point i wouldn’t put it past them to put it in the “retail number cruncher” and work with the numbers that come out - even if they are absolute @#$%.

Cost cutting at Blizzard, layoffs, etc. I don’t think they’re going to do extra work for a “side project”. And yes, in my opinion, this is not high on their priority list I think.

[Irisse-maelstrom]

The VAST majority of people want the original version.

Nah there’s a loud minority that wants original AV because they couldn’t find enough wpvp. Most people want BG’s that actually end, in that case if you want more pvp you just requeue.

Most people are fine with Release and not Classic. The great NPC removal of 1.11 was the point at which AV became a battleground that ended, making it similar to what it is now. The point of Classic is to satisfy people who aren’t happy with what the game is now, which suggests that 1.10 or earlier AV is what we should have.

[Fallanaa-area-52 (Fallanaa)]

The point of Classic is to satisfy people who aren’t happy with what the game is now, which suggests that 1.10 or earlier AV is what we should have.

I will agree here. I don’t really have a dog in this fight, as I don’t enjoy PvP.

That said… When it comes to AV, from all of the accounts I have read, I would love to see the earlier AVs, and might even participate in them. I may have disagreements with some of the posters on the forum, but on this point, I agree with them.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

If you are not looting severed nightelf heads and tauren hooves, you are in the wrong version.

[Banjaa-deathwing]

If you are not looting severed nightelf heads and tauren hooves, you are in the wrong version.

God yesssssss

[Hammerharder-emerald-dream]

Old AV was the best AV.

It was a long time ago but IMO “Alterac Valley Mark of Honor” was the change that really hurt AV. Because you needed Marks of Honor from all three battlegrounds for pvp rewards, that became the main focus in battlegrounds pvp. AV lasted a long time so AV Marks of Honor where hard to come by, as a result pressure built to shorten AV so more Marks of Honor could be generated.

AV Marks of Honor also spawned the hurry up and lose culture (cave dwellers) that was poison to epicness that was AV. Marks of Honor forced some people to play long lasting AV’s when all they really wanted was some quick pvp and move on. This created resentment and backlash for AV. This lead to constant changes to shorten, nerf and gut AV into the unrecognizable mutant horror that exits today.

The better solution would have been to remove Marks of Honor from AV since it was a battleground like no other before or since. It would have allowed WSG and Arathi Basin to remain quick pvp enjoyed by some and allow a choice to not be forced into a AV.

Needing “Marks of Honor” from all three battlegrounds for a pvp reward, was the change that truly began the death spiral of AV.

[Blehgren-dalaran (Blehgren)]

What are you expecting? They’re not going to cherry pick one version of AV over another. Whatever version was in 1.12 that’s what we’ll be getting.

The player base is just shooting in the dark here with what version “They think” will be in, what they think is the best version etc.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Well seeing as this is exactly the type of thing they wanted us to discuss, we are discussing it. If you believe they are just going to stick with 1.12 across the board then you have nothing at all of value to add in here. Unless you are just dropping bait, level 10 alt.

[Felshout-mannoroth (Felshout)]

theres nothing wrong with telling you we think it will be 1.12. you are quick to call anyone that disagrees with you a troll

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

And you and others are quick to wrongly suspect that the reason they are suspected as trolls is because we disagree.

Wandering in on a L10 alt to a thread that is discussing something to blurt out that the posters having the discussion are just “shooting in the dark”, dismissing the conversation outright, has nothing to do with disagreement. It has to do with tone and intent.
It is a blatant trolly thread

[Felshout-mannoroth (Felshout)]

there hasnt been any discussion with blizzard about what patch versions they should use. its safe to say AV is going to be 1.12 like everything else unless we hear otherwise

theres nothing trolish about that

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

there hasnt been any discussion with blizzard about what patch versions they should use. its safe to say AV is going to be 1.12 like everything else unless we hear otherwise

theres nothing trolish about that

If you haven’t noticed the no change crowd really isn’t the no change crowd, they want changes to 1.12 but only the changes they want.

[Narya-kirin-tor (Narya)]

It is absolutely true that the “no changes crowd” isn’t the “no changes from patch 1.12 crowd.” And never has been, nor claimed to be.

Only someone being willfully obtuse would think observing that was scoring a point.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

No the argument was always no change means a state that existed in vanilla. Mixing and matching different patches creates a game state that never existed vanilla, hence not no change.

I guess it is an interesting alternate fact to claim now that no change always meant frankenpatch.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I guess it is an interesting alternate fact to claim now that no change always meant frankenpatch.

Sorry troll, it has always been that definition for all but the most hardline and trolls pretending to be nochanges.

[Hammerharder-emerald-dream]

The absolutely no changes to Classic just wont work. Why launch a game with known issue’s when you can take a little time to fix a flaw and then launch the game?

The needing Marks of Honor from each BG for a pvp reward was a flaw. There are several ways to address the issue. Why launch classic with something that you know beforehand is already broken. Granted the Marks of honor issue is my point of view that others may disagree with. However there are other issue’s in several threads that have brought up.

My hope is Blizzard will launch classic that maintains the spirit of Vanilla with changes that are a fix to known issues. So far signs have been encouraging.

[Phront-moon-guard (Phront)]

they want changes to 1.12 but only

changes that were earlier in the game’s history.

Notice how literally none of us have ever advocated for introducing any features whatsoever from Burning Crusade or WotLK?

We haven’t been demanding “WoW 1.12,” we’ve been demanding Vanilla. Vanilla has quite a few different states, and certain changes within Vanilla were less than optimal (most of which came near the end of the game’s life, such as 1.12) and we would like to request that Blizzard gives us a previous iteration (always Vanilla) of things such as AV.