Through my extensive research I found that if you combine the “spy” addon with the “Auctioneer” addon - that if the rogue comes within 400 yard of an enemy auction house- it will permately disable the stealth ability of that rogue and reduce his durability to 0.
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You are onto something here. Testing out your theory as we speak.
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It is not giving you the rogues coordinates
It is giving you either your coordinates, or the coordinates of another spy user you are communicating with.
This has been answered 500 times, and spy is written in plain text as are all addons, you can read the code yourself.
I am pretty sure you can not mind vision a target that is in stealth and not visible to you, you also can not LOC one.
Honestly, just go download the addon, you dont have to install it, just open it in notepad and read the code, it’s very simple what it does.
Heck if you are feeling energetic, you can modify it to track something else besides a rogue.
You can not, not with out breaking a whole lot of other mods.
This has been explained repeatedly.
You need to petition blizzard to not have Player self cast stealth abilities show in combat logs, has nearly nothing to do with the addon itself.
Otherwise, i could mimic what spy does externally and broadcast to entire discord or IRC channels, and you cant come to my house and delete linux and perl right?
Why is it that the people who use spy at least take the time to understand things, and understand how and why it works and what it does and does not do, and the people yelling BAN spy in general dont take the time to figure anything out so they could at least ask Blizzard for the right thing?
LOL but he gets a 92% discount on all purchases, so it works out.
It does give you coordinates when other players are using it. And since nearly everybody is using it, it’s nearly all the time that you can get people’s coordinates. Can you get that information normally from the combat log? I thought not.
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And you still seem to fail to understand that it is not giving you the position of the rogue. All it’s giving you is a position that somewhere a rogue is within 200 yards of.
False - it gives you coordinates of the location the rogue was last seen, allowing you to zero in on his location.
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And this is why we can’t take any of the complaints about SPy seriously, the people whining don’t even know how it works.
It is the location of the person who saw the action performed not the location of the person who did it.
Thats my take on it as well.
Usually. But if more than one person is using spy, the addon communicates with the other users to triangulate the location of the spotted enemy.
I challenge both of you to download spy, open it in notepad, because it IS plain text ya know, and then come back here and honestly make the same statement.
When you find that what it actually sends is MY location, ME being the spy user, and only shares MY location with other spy users, so in effect we just know where WE are, you may be a bit disappointed.
And if you go read through the API, you may be a bit disappointed to learn that you can not LOC another player as the info is not known to the client, only your own.
Raid and Party and Friend addons are able to show you your members locations because you are literally sending them to each other.
Does not work cross faction of course, so you cant see and wave at your opposing faction friends
You think it’s okay that it automatically communicates with other people’s add ons to give info on players locations?
As for mind vision, you have no idea what I’m talking about. The add on allows you to click players out of stealth that are hiding from sight, and you can mind vision them to find where they are. Explain to me why that should be allowed.
I have the add on downloaded. If you don’t have it, you’re at a massive disadvantage in every single form of PvP. You can’t push rank without it. It’s broken.
Yes, it is that easy to download it and use it. Just takes two clicks these days. And the advantage it gives is MASSIVE.
I was pvping with some friends who didn’t have the addon. They refused to use it on principle. But they nevertheless found themselves repeatedly asking me for who was in the area, to the point where they were practically using the addon through me because it was just that essential.
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Um you may want to rethink that?
To mind vision me out of stealth, you have to mind vision me BEFORE i go into stealth, or wait around until i leave stealth.
You cant MV me after the fact, because you cant target me, unless you are wearing goggles, or i am dancing through flares like a dummy etc.
Doubt it.
Though the addon has the potential to be even stronger if the creator wanted to take the time to make it so. We already make a list of people, that are remembered indefinitely. Can track kills on the targets, deaths by the targets. Names, add them to a kill on sight list. Write a description about said player.
But it’s got the potential to record abilities casted, and mark them by spec’, potentially causing healers to be known beforehand, and that information shared between all Spy users.
So say player X saw me cast Divine Spirit, it’s pretty obvious I’m a healer. So his addon marks me as a healer, and then informs the other Spy users I’m a healer. So they would never even have seen me, but they’d already know to target me over everyone else. Then should I spec’ change, such as to shadow and cast Shadowform, it’d reupdate that information for every player again.
Fairly insane if you ask me. This addon changes the way PvP happens already, and has the potential to do more than it does currently.
Out of stealth. I’m talking about players that are hiding, and not in stealth.
He’s not completely wrong. 2 users have the potential to mark the location of another player. Then the more users you have in a specific area increases the accuracy of that detection.
Should this addon record what kind of attacks landed between targets, it could get extremely specific without more than one player. Say it detected a warrior that attacked another player running Spy. Well, mark him within 2 yards of that player. Boom, now every other player has said location of that warrior on their map. Say a warlock casted agony on a player? Well, within a 60 yard diameter that player is there.
I can already use this addon to track where world PvP is happening in any zone anywhere, without a player saying a word about it. I couldn’t have done this without Spy, nor could you. That’s allot of power at your fingertips.
False - It doesn’t give you the coords. Quit making up lies to support your crying.
The advantage is minor. I have used Spy all of Classic. Sorry, to burst your bubble of ignorance with truth.
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Read above statement. Actually, I may as well hold your hand.
That’s not how the addon works. At all.
The LUA only grabs the coordinates of the Spy user, that’s it. It doesn’t attempt to draw any distances or perform any calculations because it either cannot (you can’t get distances directly, you have to know both sets of coordinates) nor does it even try. Seriously, go browse the LUA yourself, it doesn’t even check whether or not your Combat Log is set to any particular range so even if you wanted to just assume a max range radius, Spy wouldn’t know what value to set that to, nor would it be accurate in the slightest.
There is no triangulation capacity with Spy, and the equations required to solve for an approximated area are nontrivial with so many variables either completely unknown are broadly guessed at.
Within a 400 yard diameter is said target. It could mark your current location. Another user runs by in the distance, pings same character within his 400 yard diameter. You can now reasonably guess that between those two players, that character either was, or still is. Add another player and should he detect same character, then it gets more specific and easier to track said player.
However, even if you think they lack the code (which they could add), even the location of that player and then sharing of said information is enough to get a reasonable guess of where that player is.
People used to sell cross faction ganking by zones on PvP servers, it’s extremely easy to find the information needed for even that now. Players would hunt others down with no information whatsoever, simply knowing they existed. This is that on a grand scale, it’s easy to know how many of the enemy faction are in each zone now.
Spy is much better than any addon we’ve had before, it’s not lagging, or bugging out, or crashing, or creating errors for people like the previous ones did. Not to mention, as we’ve discussed here, pretty much no one used them in the original vanilla WoW.