Stealth ability doesn’t feel stealthy because of Spy

[Cannibowl-netherwind]

Oh yeah, like everybody is constantly reading their combat log.

I don’t use spy, but I literally keep a window open just for combat log. Red text pops up, I read it. L2P

[Blindfaith-bigglesworth]

You stare at your combat log non-stop? You’re so damned persistent you’d do well to get a job as a gold farmer.
I’d be impressed if you’re looking between damage, and which abilities are casted since it tells you EVERYTHING. I commend you for that, lols.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/paranoia-enemy-player-alert/files/all

Burning Crusade version of Spy

You don’t even know what you’re posting? FFS…

I do. Do you?

You can look at the link I provided and see that the earliest game patch in that particular file set was compatible for 2.4.0. Paranoia was what Spy is today, and most folks using Paranoia shifted from it to Spy when Paranoia no longer received updates.

Do you even read?

[Brewbeard-grobbulus]

I said it was a Burning Crusade era addon. What are you blabbering about now?

We’re talking about vanilla in 2004. You were asked to provide evidence that the add-on was used during vanilla 2004 and you linked to a TBC and WotLK add-on.

You then linked to a private server add-on that was developed for a non-vanilla client.

I’m “blabbering” about the fact that you either don’t know what you’re linking to, what the things you linked to demonstrate, and evidently weren’t playing during the time to continue making the claim that these add-ons were used extensively, or even at all, during vanilla… which is the timeframe relevant to Classic.

[Cannibowl-netherwind]

You stare at your combat log non-stop? You’re so damned persistent you’d do well to get a job as a gold farmer.

Yeah actually. Hunting black lotus seems to work well for me. I don’t stare at the combat log, if information pops up I notice it.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

We’re talking about vanilla in 2004. You were asked to provide evidence that the add-on was used during vanilla 2004 and you linked to a TBC and WotLK add-on.

FFS

Stop jumping in when you have no idea what the hell you’re even talking about.

This was not a problem before. I’ve not heard rogues complaining like this in all of my years. You’re insane if you think you should be receiving reports on people you cannot visibly see. It’s not in the spirit of the game, and as I said, didn’t happen before.

Blindfaith’s argument was that in ALL OF HIS YEARS OF PLAYING he didn’t see addons like Spy being used. That includes Burning Crusade.

Go away you dumb troll.

[Blindfaith-bigglesworth]

Blindfaith’s argument was that in ALL OF HIS YEARS OF PLAYING

Actually, I was using that to compare to 2004. I simply stated I haven’t seen it in my years, and I sure as hell haven’t seen it back then. I honestly don’t care about TBC/WotLK, I was asking for information that corresponded to our current gameplay. Not years down the line.

[Marinol-blackrock]

I’ll be honest if you’re entire argument is something like this existed before that is perhaps one of the weakest arguments you could possibly have. Things like decursive were wide-spread in Vanilla so the “it existed before” argument isn’t getting you anywhere.

This addon shouldn’t exist, plain and simple. I don’t even see how anyone could think this is in the spirit of the game AT ALL.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

Actually, I was using that to compare to 2004.

Actually, I was a PvP main from WotLK and my guild and my friends always forced me to keep updated on the top addon picks for both battlegrounds, 2v2’s and 3v3’s (didn’t start running 5v5’s until MoP, wasn’t my thing). I’ve gone through tons of addons, nice assuming. I’ve got 2.5k hours on my pally alone, and I only played him for 3 expansions, and he was more of an alt in 2 of them. I’m surprised that like I said, I’ve never witnessed this on his hours alone if it’s as widespread as you’re claiming.

I only played him for 3 expansions

3 expansions

Lying is bad.

[Blindfaith-bigglesworth]

Lying is bad.

Like I said, comparing to our current gameplay. I stated it didn’t happen back then, and went on to state I hadn’t seen it in later expansions to this scale either. Even posted our number of downloads to playerbase, you ignored those too. You’re cherry picking literally everything.
I was telling you I played my pally for three expansions, posting my game-time has nothing to do with gameplay right now. Actually reply to what I’m bringing to the table rather than picking and choosing, ignoring and trolling.

[Blindfaith-bigglesworth]

Great… Ohshift is back to troll some more, get ready.

[Brewbeard-grobbulus]

I’ll be honest if you’re entire argument is something like this existed before that is perhaps one of the weakest arguments you could possibly have. Things like decursive were wide-spread in Vanilla so the “it existed before” argument isn’t getting you anywhere.

This addon shouldn’t exist, plain and simple. I don’t even see how anyone could think this is in the spirit of the game AT ALL.

He was originally arguing that it existed during vanilla because he doesn’t know how to interpret versioning numbers. This is the same forum member who argued that 1.1 itemization was the same as 1.10.

Once I pointed it out, now he wants to shift the conversation to be that people complaining about it being in Classic aren’t acknowledging it existed at the end of Burning Crusade and Wrath…despite that being untrue and completely irrelevant.

Go away you dumb troll.

This is how he behaves. It seems to be a clear violation of the ToS so just flag and continue the conversation with the rest of us.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

I’ll be honest if you’re entire argument is something like this existed before that is perhaps one of the weakest arguments you could possibly have. Things like decursive were wide-spread in Vanilla so the “it existed before” argument isn’t getting you anywhere.

Except Blizzard specifically broke access to that part of the API wholesale to stop unintended automated play like Decursive and the various one-button rotation addons. So unless you’re advocating breaking Combat Log parsing, a legitimate and authorized form of API access, this doesn’t stand.

This addon shouldn’t exist, plain and simple. I don’t even see how anyone could think this is in the spirit of the game AT ALL.

“Spirit of the Game” is just aesthetic preference. Your preference is duly noted, but Blizzard says otherwise.

Like I said, comparing to our current gameplay. I stated it didn’t happen back then, and went on to state I hadn’t seen it in later expansions to this scale either. Even posted our number of downloads to playerbase, you ignored those too. You’re cherry picking literally everything.

You argued it didn’t exist at all, then you shifted to a popularity argument. If your problem is widespread use, that’s piss-poor reasoning because that means you think:

1. I find Spy’s functionality to be bad
2. If a function isn’t popular, it can’t impact the game as far as I’m concerned
3. If Spy isn’t popular, it can’t impact the game as far as I’m concerned
4. If Spy is popular, it can impact the game as far as I’m concerned and that’s bad

It just means you’re fine with things that are “bad” so long as they don’t get widespread enough for you to notice them.

/shrug

[Brewbeard-grobbulus]

You argued it didn’t exist at all,

Your own links conclusively prove that it didn’t exist during vanilla.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

He was originally arguing that it existed during vanilla because he doesn’t know how to interpret versioning numbers. This is the same forum member who argued that 1.1 itemization was the same as 1.10.

Lying again Brew? By all means, link me saying 1.1 itemization is the same as 1.10 in such a wholesale manner… I’ll Venmo you $20 on the spot.

Once I pointed it out, now he wants to shift the conversation to be that people complaining about it being in Classic aren’t acknowledging it existed at the end of Burning Crusade and Wrath…despite that being untrue and completely irrelevant.

Already proved this false as well.

This is how he behaves. It seems to be a clear violation of the ToS so just flag and continue the conversation with the rest of us.

Yeah yeah, go away.

[Cannibowl-netherwind]

If you learn to use combat logs, then you realize spy is nothing new and quite inconsequential.

[Marinol-blackrock]

I’m not advocating anything (besides maybe banning this addon) and its pretty obvious in my replies.

And I could not possibly disagree any more about your “spirit of the game” comment. I 100% guarantee you can provide no sound logic as to how this mod is in any way appropriate and should be used. Just in the case of it nullifying stealth by showing where the player is should be enough to open your eyes, but clearly not.

Your arguments thus far have been incredibly shallow and weak, yet you seem to be under this misguided belief you are winning? Couldn’t be further from the truth on that one man. You’ve been kind of a ll over the place, and made no good points yet.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

Your own links conclusively prove that it didn’t exist during vanilla.

Good thing that wasn’t what he said as he argued his experience against its existence by saying:

Actually, I was a PvP main from WotLK and my guild and my friends always forced me to keep updated on the top addon picks for both battlegrounds, 2v2’s and 3v3’s (didn’t start running 5v5’s until MoP, wasn’t my thing). I’ve gone through tons of addons, nice assuming. I’ve got 2.5k hours on my pally alone, and I only played him for 3 expansions, and he was more of an alt in 2 of them. I’m surprised that like I said, I’ve never witnessed this on his hours alone if it’s as widespread as you’re claiming.

WotLK.
Three expansions.

Yeah definitely a “must exist in Vanilla” argument there.

A regular Sherlock Holmes!

[Blindfaith-bigglesworth]

I’m not advocating anything (besides maybe banning this addon) and its pretty obvious in my replies.

Don’t even have to ban it, just remove stealth from combat logs and you’re good to go. I personally wouldn’t be against banning it, but it doesn’t even need to go to that extent. It’d be an easy fix.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

And I could not possibly disagree any more about your “spirit of the game” comment.

Alright then. Provide an objective standard by which to ground what is and isn’t in the “Spirit of the Game”

Do so and I’ll happily discuss the merits.