Spy vs stealth

[Daswings-moon-guard (Daswings)]

To be fair, the only class you can’t one shot on a rogue is mage since they just ice block or blink your cc. Blizzard gave us a bone.

[Supertoxic-whitemane]

Stealth is my gap closer. Outside of a five minute cooldown (sprint) which is much better used as a defensive root remover. If you see a rogue coming then its already mostly gg. Im not saying i cant get kills. This addon gimps my CORE ability.

[Contention-benediction]

Just spell batch a gouge with the blink

But Ambush should do the trick nevertheless.

[Grulgor-blaumeux]

Nah, clearly YOU’RE the one who needs to L2P, not the thousands of morons who need the crutch to alert them when enemies are nearby.

/s

[Supertoxic-whitemane]

I understand that spy has great benifits so how about instead of breaking spy we just get rid of stealth notifications on the combat log. I feel that the only people who would take issue with this are the ones abusing spy because they fear rogues. You know who you are.

[Leafblight-dark-iron (Leafblight)]

all you people saying its fair obviously don’t play stealth classes,

So… just gonna ignore the 60 rogue that also said it’s fine?

You appear in their combat log. Their Combat Log. How they process the information its up to they. If they put a addon that process that information in a “cleaner” way, and its not against the ToS… deal with it.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

just get rid of stealth notifications on the combat log

Been this way for 15 years. Is this your first rogue?

[Moonbabe-earthfury]

You sound salty.

[Forgiven-thunderfury]

I find it odd that there was never this outcry for the healer addon for pvp. Gates open and a large “X” is placed on the healers making it impossible to hide.
Im all for this spy addon until they get rid off the “all healers must die” addon.

[Coo-heartseeker]

Typical Probably bunch of people that are heartseeker trolling you Toxic. Oh know don’t take a tool of finding rogues away. so that we can find them or easily. mass majority are just trolling and don’t want rogues to be the sneaky stab you in the back when least expecting type.

and notice how pretty much everyone that is telling you to Stop QQing aren’t rogues mostly classes that can’t handle a rogue with out being notified that theres one around.

[Celldweller-heartseeker]

When enemy players start to activily search for a stealth class that without the addon they wouldn’t have known was there in the first place.

Because you’re upset that you’re not able to just easily gank someone.

Again, any player who knows how to PvP will already be ready for you, stealth or not. Addon or not.

Anyone not familiar with how to deal with stealth is just going to learn and get use to doing the same thing the addon promotes. Being ready.

So you either want easy ganks or challenging HK’s.

It’s not an issue.

This is just flat out untrue in its entirety. The premise is so wrong there’s not a good way to argue it.

[Celldweller-heartseeker]

I love ganking unaware players.

Translation: “I love one-sided fights where people are disadvantaged and easy pickings, so now that UI improvements let players know I’m coming because I’m very bad at my class, I’ve lost my desire to stomp the weak and helpless. This cannot stand!!!”

You may be unaware, but the rogue class was designed to start the fight with an advantage. It’s actually a pretty weak class without that advantage.

CDs can help alleviate, but caught out of stealth with no CDs is an auto loss to most competent pvp players of any class.

There’s nothing wrong with this and I’m not complaining, but you seem unable to understand how the rogue class works.

[Celldweller-heartseeker]

I get you Ginzo, but lets just step back and analyze what you said for a second. So, we can assume that the hunter you are mentioning is a night elf hunter, killing some tigers right under the bridge near Nesingwary Camp. While he’s getting in the zone, maybe listening to some music, and getting close to finishing the tiger hunting quest, is it realistic to expect that he’ll just set down a trap and flare every few seconds, even if, as far as he can tell, no Horde players are anywhere in sight? Assuming that he is using SPY, he may be able to tell that an Undead Rogue just went into stealth on the road a little ways south of him, when he otherwise wouldn’t have noticed that he had a ganker coming after him.

Our likely mutual distaste for gankers aside, is it fair for the hunter to perceive the rogue without using any of his in game senses? He can’t see the rogue, or hear him go into stealth or sprint, and yet he suddenly he knows that he needs to put down a flare when he otherwise would likely never have done so. It just doesn’t seem like good game balance to allow the stealthy aspect to be taken away from the Sneak ability. I mean, did the Rogue step on a twig or something? Why would the act of trying to go unnoticed ironically result in your being noticed?

Well said.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

You may be unaware, but the rogue class was designed to start the fight with an advantage

You still have that advantage. Think of it as a duel - you know a rogue is around but you cant target them. You can spam some aoe but a smart rogue can generallly avoid it.

[Thornado-incendius]

why was spy nerfed and not removed?because every twitch streamer uses it.

id love to level my rogue but i wont do it on a pvp server if i do.

spy will even ruin bgs for rogues.

[Oli-herod]

Any player worth their weight in PvP is going to actively be prepared for a rogue (IE Hunters always keeping flare up or setting traps).

RIIIIIGHT come on man, we don’t stand still 24/7 with a flare or trap around us, spy allows us to do that, without spy you’re not afking on a trap or flare all the time.

Spy is an issue, bad players with crap gamesense and no peripheral vision are allowed to thrive because of it, and thats bad.

[Celldweller-heartseeker]

Human perception + spy means I’m detected unless it’s on CD or something.

[Gàldin-yojamba]

Human perception

• combat log seeing player stealth.
• actually seeing the rogue dismount go into stealth.
• starting a duel with a rogue.
  +seeing a rogue vanish from combat.

means I’m detected unless it’s on CD or something

[Ristra-sulfuras]

I get you Ginzo, but lets just step back and analyze what you said for a second. So, we can assume that the hunter you are mentioning is a night elf hunter, killing some tigers right under the bridge near Nesingwary Camp. While he’s getting in the zone, maybe listening to some music, and getting close to finishing the tiger hunting quest, is it realistic to expect that he’ll just set down a trap and flare every few seconds, even if, as far as he can tell, no Horde players are anywhere in sight? Assuming that he is using SPY, he may be able to tell that an Undead Rogue just went into stealth on the road a little ways south of him, when he otherwise wouldn’t have noticed that he had a ganker coming after him.

Our likely mutual distaste for gankers aside, is it fair for the hunter to perceive the rogue without using any of his in game senses? He can’t see the rogue, or hear him go into stealth or sprint, and yet he suddenly he knows that he needs to put down a flare when he otherwise would likely never have done so. It just doesn’t seem like good game balance to allow the stealthy aspect to be taken away from the Sneak ability. I mean, did the Rogue step on a twig or something? Why would the act of trying to go unnoticed ironically result in your being noticed?

Yah see, this is the new meta though. As a stealth class, I’d be making their addon go off constantly, just watch them be all paranoid.

Once their have gone “addon’s crying wolf” mode - POW

[Plaze-burning-blade]

Yea i love it when im questing a long and some rogue comes and 1 shots me

makes for great gameplay…/s