/tencharss
Oh man what a meme, run out of a solid argument and post /tenchars or /10chars and feel like a winner. Go eat dog food because if you can not defend your PoV you are nothing but a mutt
/tencharss
You said it for yourself. It automates scanning combat logs, identifying events, and creating a list from results.
If it honestly didnât automate a difficult process do you think people would be using it en mass?
DBM provides audio and visual queues to things that are already visually well represented in game.
You donât need DBM to see fire to be stepped out of, nor to monitor your debuffs, or interrupt a cast from an enemy.
The information it provides it more readily available than the compiled list that spy generates.
Damage meters arenât even in question, there is nothing realistically that damage meters can provide to give you an edge over other players.
Itâs simply a record of the damage you and other people dealt.
But it does nothing on its own other than gather data. Its not automating a process. Its a combat log parser. Details will show enemy damage on a mob, im sure there will be an option to have a screen showing everything that has used stealth around you.
Why not spy?
Are addons we have been using for 15 years now against the tos, because they are configured in a way that you dont like?
Its a compete record of everything in your combat log if you dig a little deeper.
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You keep using that word. I donât think it means what you think it means.
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Yes⌠providing information in a more useful way is one of the key things people use add ons for.
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Iâm unsure if this addons defenders realize it, but, your attempts to defend this addon are having the opposite effect.
Itâs just, very telling, is all.
Personally, I donât like this addon, and Iâl gladly share that opinion maybe once in each relating thread I see, mainly as a vote in favor and nothing more. But, thatâs where it ends for me. Mostly because Iâm sensible enough to recognize that any further involvement on my part is likely a recipe for misery and nothing more.
However, the people defending this addon, and I see no cause to name names but just a cursory glance at the posting activity of this addons most frequent defenders⌠itâs shocking to say the least.
In just these past few weeks alone, replies from these users in threads directly relating to the Spy addon have absolutely dwarfed their prior posting history. Weâre talking hundreds and hundreds of replies in some cases. Just thinking about it makes my stomach churn - that sounds like an absolutely miserable existence.
Heck, Iâve posted maybe three times on the subject and Iâm already sick of talking about it. But, it begs an important question, why? Why would anyone do that?
And thatâs the inherent problem with this addons defenders selected approach. The intention behind their every message is essentially this, an insistence that this addon is balanced and not even worth discussing, and not just balanced, but also trivial - almost needless. But, thatâs contradicted by the ceaseless fervor with which they defend it. Because why would so many choose to defend something at the likely cost of their time and overall well-being if it was anywhere near as inconsequential as they themselves describe it? Respectfully, it doesnât make sense.
And so, basically, if youâre defending this addon, youâre pretty transparently doing so for one of the following reasons:
A) youâre dependent on the addon to such an extent that you feel threatened by these threads and therefore compelled to the defense of this addon, which consequently invalidates your primary argument as mentioned above.
or
B) lest we forget, addons donât fall from the sky. Without pretending to be any sort of expert, itâs clear that in the world of addons there is considerable monetary profit to be made, otherwise why would so many bother themselves with creating and maintaining these addons? Well, I suspect they wouldnât, certainly most wouldnât. So, given that, itâs not so unreasonable to expect that at least one or more of this addons more fervent defenders have some financial skin in the game and are participating in the discussions solely in an effort to preserve said skin.
C) there is no C.
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Lol I just find it ironic that rogues are the ones whining about it because it makes stealth less of an automatic i win.
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I try it yesterday and love it, its excellent for hunting. It donât mess with stealth if you are in stealth before they are close to you. When you hunt a hot spot the hard part is detect nearby opponents.
And on the âautomateâ part, most addons do that. Recount automate the addition of damages from all near players, we should ban that addon? Bartender automate the keybinding. Questie automate the explore in map. Where you want to draw the line?
The more appealing argument vs spy should be "AddOns must not negatively impact World of Warcraft realms or other players." if you can build an argument that it hinder you class ability. Until that, I will use it for sure, its insane good.
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Well, considering to make a post, there is a minimum of 10 characters to be typed. I just drop an emoji after type something to make the 10 character requirement.
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honestly its not just rogue i have seen war/ warlocks /druid basically every class. but these tend to end because their complaint is based on misinformation. the bad rogues though well their complaint is partially true . that being that spy does show when they stealth. meaning the rogue spy complaints will last the longest even though other classes complain about it just as much.
No itâs not. Itâs an auto refreshing generator of player names from the combat log which is different.
That is an automated process whether you like it or not.
It doesnât just spit out combat log parses that it acknowledges for you to go through and determine players in the area does it?
It âautonomouslyâ goes through your combat log, decides which lines are important, takes note of the ability and rank used, determines player class and level based on that data, then generates a list of those players that can then be clicked on to perform a /target function.
Sure you have to click on them in the end, 90% (the time consuming 90% i might add) is all automated. To say that it is not is being dishonest with yourself and honestly discredits the rest of anyones argument.
Details shows enemy damage in combat, and typically only damage dealt to a player in your party.
It doesnât automatically create logs for random enemy players in your vacinity.
They werenât used 15 years ago. The earliest reports we have are from the pre-TBC patch which, technically being patch 2.0 is not considered vanilla.
Also Iâm not sure why people keep replying to me about ToS because I have not once said it was against ToS, I couldnât care less.
Not quite what we were talking about, I never said damage meters donât function like spy. Iâm well aware that they generate their records through players combat logs.
The person who brought it up was simply tying it with the same brush as DBM and spy which is obviously not the same.
One simply records information into a chart, the other seeks to distinguish information and then generate a visual list to give to a player.
The difference is not in what the addon reads, but what it conveys.
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Presenting information in a more usable fashion is completely in line with what addons were designed to do and a huge number of other add ons do the same thing.
Details 100% does display real time information from the combat logâŚ
And? The functionality to both parse the combat log and facillitate targeting existed in vanilla and yes long before the 2.0 pre patch so no spy isnât doing anything ânon vanillaâ.
Well⌠yes⌠different addons intended for different uses will display that information differently. This surpsises you why?
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Because itâs not. Spy has been around since Vanilla. It simply reads the combat log, just like literally hundreds of other addons.
Here is a screenshot, taken from the add on download page.
https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/98/897/map1.jpg
"map1.jpg
An example of what is seen on the world map when another player in your guild, party or raid encounters an enemy player."
quit spreading false information.
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Canât a rogue just move away from people before going into stealth to ensure they donât get picked up by the combat log?
Or maybe be antagonistic with it and repeatedly stealth near known Spy users to freak them out despite never engaging combat with them.
Yes.
They could also not stealth so close to people.
Nothing at all wrong with the addon.
L2Rogue.
do you understand how slow rogue stealth is in classic? you move away from your target and come back and its tomorrow.