Well original lore for Nerzhul painted orcs culture differently then one of bloodlust, sure they liked a good fight but they where also a spiritual people who required a fair bit of effort from kiljaedan to actually coerce into their super dark path, with WoD though it’s like. . . Why did kiljaedan even need to make much effort?
What do you mean by make up for teldrasil? You seem to forget the elves are responsible for more destruction of civilizations and slaughter of natives than any other race on azeroth. Teldrasil is 6000 years of karma
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Oh, they didn’t like mindless slaughter and that goes as far as Orgrim and Grom being unhappy about what the they did under Fel influence. I just think it’s a big stretch to call them peaceful. I think WoD was just Blizz once again not knowing what they want to do with their own fantasy.
And I won’t derail the thread anymore, sorry
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All we NE fans want is to get our lands back and to have a meaningful win against Sylvanas and Nathanos.
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I doubt it’s a permanent death but I hope it is. Not an interesting character at all, his snark just comes across as him being insecure. Cannot wait to kill nathanos “maybe if I’m mean to them enough she’ll like me” blightcaller
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He should not come back, except maybe for a quick cameo showing that he’s going to suffer eternally for his role in the genocide of the Night Elves.
But given how incredibly tone deaf the writing is whenever the Night Elves are involved, and how Blizzard always makes the most insulting decisions with them that they possibly can, he’s absolutely going to be back and Tyrande killing him was part of his secret master plan.
That’s a stupid argument: You want people in the RL approach for a story that is purely fictional?
What’s wrong with players attacking each other for this story, but thats aside, things should be solved in the story and not by attacking other RL people like the devs - that’s the least you can expect. I never agree in flaming the devs on their twitter acc for their story
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I just realised that killing Nathanos would be doing him a mercy by freeing him from being the lapdog of Sylvanas.
There is nothing wrong with players attacking each other for the story but, there is a difference between Attacking and ATTACKING each other
On one side you have things like SWTOR where each side can dislike each other or call each other names etc. and it’s all in good jest because at the end of the day people know what they signed up for, and aren’t really beat up at the fact that a major character on their side may die because it adds to the overall story or enhances things etc.
Players know there are clearly good and bad eggs on each side, not to mention swtor doesn’t go building up a character for years just to make them do something majorly stupid to the point many feel it’s just out of character, and even if they do, normally there are mountains of possible replacements at hand that are frequently built upon, at some point or another you’ll have heard about the dark council and it’s members for example along with their apprentices.
Should the dark council member die due to “unforeseeable” circumstances we know who will immediately take over (Darth Nox and Emperor’s Wrath FTW)
Now looking at WoW we have a dev team that more or less have admitted to liking when players are at each others throat and personally, I think it’s pretty unhealthy because unlike swtor we’re rabid dogs over here after years of abuse just looking to be treated, loved, and held.
When WoW players attack each others, they mean it and some go as far as too assume just about every person who plays insert race or faction here is insert derogatory term here, When we lose a major character, hub, or area it hurts and makes people more paranoid because we know how blizzard is, they’ll rarely “update” something unless they feel they absolutely have to and more often than not they don’t wanna.
How long have Alliance players been asking about Gilneas only for blizzard to “update” it by placing either blight around the city and a few npcs, while suddenly saying it’s occupied by black dragons and cultist?
How long have Horde players moaned about losing major characters and wanting more characters within their roster only for blizzard to throw them away for some cheap value, too the point of having the scrape the bottom of the barely to pull out names that leave players saying “Who??”
Each side has legitimate grievances when it comes to the story and their faction, and with the way things are going it’s just a cycle of two abused kids yelling at each other over who has it worse or who should actually get something good for once, all the while ignoring that it was the parent (blizzard) who turned them against each other in the first place.
Honestly I could go on for awhile but this post already feels longer than it should be.
I’m not saying people need to flame or harass the dev’s, but us going back and forth at each other throats solves nothing and gets us nowhere when again we should be focusing our attention towards blizzard and asking for better on each side without having to lowkey take a dig at the other side while doing it.
TLDR- The rivalry between the Alliance and Horde have gone past the point of being civil in just about any capacity. In other mmo’s the rivalry is healthy and causes debate and excitement, in WoW it usually leads to anger, resentment and people just becoming rabid in their bias with little to no room for change.
blizzard if they really wanted to fix it, should have the factions leave each other for about an xpac and just focus on their own stories and rebuilding, we don’t need a world ending threat every year.
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I agree on the topic thats exist a difference between Attacking and ATTACKING, but tell me:
How should blizzard fix the problem if for example horde nsc destroyed alliance hubs without adress the one nsc who bear responsibility? In other cases, the responsible alliance was killed in the same questing zone
If Blizzard follow their path, then punishment is unavoidable, but that would be mean toward the horde, so tell me? How fix it and make hordeplayer happy and give alliance player justice for the destruction of their places.
I mean - the guy is at his house, while he’s one of Azeroth’s most wanted. Natty Blight is a lot of things but he was never portrayed as being stupid. And we know for a fact that killing him will send the guy straight to the Maw, with the Jailor, the dude Slyvanas is working with.
Unless there’s a twist where Tyrande destroys his soul (which isn’t an uncommon ability but it’s always been dark magic) then he’ll probably turn up later as a boss of some sort.
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In before a (likely night elf or Draenai) poster points out that he was stupid for following Sylvanas.
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Honestly the only solution I can think of is to just cut things where they are now, stop with the revenge because it just leads to a pointless back and forth idc who the last person to get hit was.
Things need to stop, everyone take a step back and just focus on rebuilding and developing more, blizzard has essentially gotten to a point where races/ factions are barebone wise with characters or places of importance, and until we address this glaring problem, all we’ll end up having is what we have now where One side has everything to lose, and the other side has nothing really.
This is the best solution imo and yah it’ll suck because in the end I doubt horde or alliance players will be immediately happy about the outcome, but it’s better that blizzard be the parent they are and forcibly separate the two kids (Horde and Alliance) from attacking each other anymore, while at the same time having each side just focus on licking their wounds and building back up.
TLDR: cut things where they are, no more revenge/ justice, it’ll just keep the stupid cycle of wanting something for x, y, or z among the playerbase, blizzard needs to have each side focus on themselves and just rebuild what ever they can, and in some cases look real hard about what you really want a certain faction or race to be after years of them being what they were.
Thats not a Solution and thats not even Fair, thats a “We ignore anything what happened”
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Because you guys want to hang this around the Horde players’ necks forever, and never let them out from under what was frankly a very disappointing story for almost everybody.
Horde players frequently acknowledge that the NE got shafted. Alliance players seem to not understand how the Horde story was equally disappointing, just in different forms.
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I can see that the horde has also been left behind in various ways. But this plot around Teldrassil is too big, an elephant in the porcelain shop
, even Theramore was simply left out, is this supposed to happen every time that the main responsible people don’t have to answer for it?
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Alternate take; this is a set up for Natty’s redemption.
Consider that when we see Nathanos and Sylvanas together at Icecrown in Shadows Rising she’s… displeased with him. To say the least. He’s failed his mission to kill Bwonsamdi, failed to inflict any meaningful causalities otherwise, and is basically hoping she won’t hit him too hard for that. And the internal dialog we have with Sylvanas presents her as just doing so very done with Nathanos worshipful love if he can’t be counted on to provide results. She sends him away to find another means of completing his mission- not to die so that he can join her, but to make up for his mistakes. And as far as we know he’s failed to do that before we kill him.
So that’s twice now that he’s failed to live up to his queens expectations and she seems pretty fed up with him as a result. So when he dies and his soul is flung, like all the others, into the Maw… what if Sylvanas doesn’t fish him out? What if she leaves him there, abandons him to be tortured like all the rest because to her he’s just another broken tool. Not worth saving, not worth expending further energy on.
A key part in any redemption arc is the moment of deep self reflection. Where a person looks at the presumably unsatisfactory situation they’re in (their rock bottom moment, which is their fault) and then looks inward and wonders; “How’d I get here? What did I do wrong?” Contrary to a lot of popular theories right now Sylvanas hasn’t had that moment yet. But giving us a Punished Nathanos? That could be something.
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I wish you guys were right but Blizzard has gone out of their way not to say we’re fighting Sylvanas. They implied she’s the leader of the Maw Covenant. And they told us “We’d understand her motivations.”
She’s Kerrigan. Going to be Goddess of All Death, replacing the Arbiter.
Count on it.
::He would look at Siege of Orgrimmar.::
who kill the one responsible for theramore? Was it…Horde? Yeah, it was horde.
Nathanos taunts the players with that same fact.
Also, in Shadows Rising, I got the impression that whatever affection Sylvanas may have had for Nathanos is now gone so even giving him a true death would have no emotional impact on her - it’s like Tyrande punching herself in the face and expecting it to hurt Sylvanas.
Tyrande is being given nothing, it’s just a meaningless gesture. Now that killing him has no value, sure, go ahead, have some ‘revenge’.
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