Ashenvale would be a good start, Hyjal should also be Night Elves only.
Well, Sylvanas and Nathanos and her nameless loyalist NPCs. Getting rid of those specifically would also fix a lot of problems for the Horde.
Well as long as she doesn’t fly in on the Nathanps fight, the cinematic is supposedly featuring Tyrande, but usually Tyrande cinematics are ingame cutscenes that take a few hours to make and just look awful.
I want to be the Horde to be what it was at the end of MoP when Garrosh was dealt with. A Horde that knows it’s tyrants and when to deal with them. The closest we could get to that would be getting rid of Sylvanas, Nathanos and their loyalists (those that fired the catapults and happily commited genocide and those that killed the civilians even before Teldrassil)
They are already out of the Horde but the Horde needs to help killing them. I get that some people want to play an all evil faction but the Horde was never supposed to be THAT evil, atleast not today’s Horde.
Or better yet don’t direct anger/disdain/bitterness at real people at all because none of this is real and abusing people because you should be better than abusing people due to the fate of a fictional character, no matter how emotionally invested you are, because that’s weird and not healthy
Sylvanas may no longer see Arthas’s actions as a bad thing now. She sees herself as no different from Arthas at the moment.
Of course Arthas unlike her was a Sentient Body with no Soul/Humanity so that makes her worse unless Blizzard pulls a reveal that Sylvanas is also losing her Soul in a way by becoming the abomination the Void calls her.
If the cutscene where she power slides into Frostmourne is indeed canon we may need to look into Sylvanas’s history while she was alive and check to see if she fought any aberrations that exploded into Purple Energies swirling around her before dissipating.
If we are given a Cutscene where such an event happened then Sylvanas’s Soul is being eaten away from the inside by something working for the Jailer!
I want to see Tyrande personally hunt down and slaughter each and every Horde soldier who took part in the destruction of both Teldrassil and Astranaar.
No, scratch that. I want to help her slaughter them.
I couldn’t care less about Nathanos at this point as long as Sylvanas faces the consequences of her actions. After Shadows Rising, he just comes across as a discarded lackey, and a wishful weakling for not accepting Sylvanas for what she’s become, even after she rejected him that way.
Tyrande killing him is just damage control for Darkshore at this point.
Can’t say I care much about Tyrande getting the killing blow for Nathanos. Good riddance to that dude. My only hope is we can kill him again sometime in Shadowlands.
I hope you guys realize though since they gave Tyrande the kill for Nathanos, don’t expect her to get it for Sylvanas.
She may not get the kill, but she can still keep her from a peaceful afterlife.
“The Banshee will know your suffering one-hundred fold”.
Not that I like that outcome for Sylvanas, but I feel it’s what they’re hinting at. Binding her to the Maw or something, with Tyrande acting as warden.
I can only hope for Syls death, please oh please give this to me blizzard lol. But in all honesty if she is somehow redeemed I’ll find that to be a slap in the face.
Uh depends? I mean Garrosh wasn’t even close to be as evil as Sylvanas, and the Horde also wasn’t in support of Garrosh the same way it was in support of Sylvanas
I mean one persons Villain is another persons Hero, all in all Sylvanas was good to the Forsaken for the most part, until BTS/ BFA.
Doesn’t honestly seem that hard to keep the horde in support of the warchief, the major rule I can get off of them so far is “Do Not Turn Against The Races Within The Horde” Like Garrosh did with the Trolls.
Hell I’d say don’t get the Horde into pointless wars but, Sylvanas kinda proved they’re into that stuff and not super hard to convince into it, hell even saurfang was hard pressed to admit he was enjoying himself up until teld burning (Wod…reminds me how easy it is to talk orcs into war).
Anyway the problem I saw was, the Horde was more or less divided for the first time, You had Orc Loyalist, Those who understood why Garrosh did what he did, and then finally the rebels. The story refused to address what had happened after voljin was placed in charge.
We had Warcrimes, I guess but that was just placing anything bad the horde had ever done up until then on Garrosh (which was really stupid, and they’re doing the same with Sylvanas). Which then led into WoD, where it was still never addressed just voljin coming by all like “aye mon, I be holdin down da fort at home”
Then comes legion where he dies and sylv is in charge etc. etc. SL is happening and we’re probably going to have the same repeat of just glossing over the divide.
Well kind of hard to really get down into the actual politics of dealing with war crimes in a mmo, usually something that’s not gonna be addressed in an mmo so easier to pin all the blame on syl and her loyalists for story convenience.
WoD was a slap in the face for orcs players on that front, at least to me it was because instead of originally a more peaceful people tricked into accepting the blood pact they where always power hungry kind of annoyed me greatly.
Hard, but not impossible, if blizzard just took a little time to realize war crimes in a world that faces constant threat just about every year is kinda stupid.
Either way still everyone involved should be held accountable since that’s the story they pushed, letting everyone else slide for throwing a few people under the bus looks really bad in the long run.
Hell an argument could be made "Why should I trust or care for the Horde when they’ll so easily throw Garrosh or Sylvanas under the bus even though we were all active?
How long until I do something I’ve done before but, the world suddenly deems it a problem and the Horde throws me under the bus next?"
These should be the political story beats we should have along with other things, that blizzard wants to gloss over, the ever growing divide even if you were team rebel you have too ask yourself, if the horde or a character I like does something stupid but for good reasons will we back them up or throw them under the to the lions and say it was all them?
It’s like the one lady orc from Ashenvale who wanted to protect the outpost so she delved into a little bit of fel magic to protect everyone, sure she was being manipulated a little but garrosh was ready too kill her at the time until someone vouched for her.
Oh no I agree with you buddy, my statement was only really on the story limitations of an mmo plus blizzards love of telling actual plot and character development outside of the game with its books.
Orcs gotta be one of my favorite races, but I wouldn’t call them peaceful. Even Rise of the Horde describes them as enjoying battles so much so that they had a specific rule about “no fights” on one of their holidays.
I agree that the Iron Horde invading Azeroth seemed very forced because even that one short story almost directly stated that the orcs just wouldn’t bother with something like that.