Spoilers: Elune’s Identity and more

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

You’re arguing with that theory lol

No I am not i am arguing with what WOW gives us lol
There is evidence that elune made the naaru that elune was around before the ordering, all this is in the game. and now shadowlands is giving us evidance of more beings that might have been around at the same time, this is facts, this is dataminding that is in the beta not a theory

The elune stuff is a literal QUEST from legion

and I dont care about some table that seems to have some made up headcanon from first glance

[Rhuna-lightbringer (Rhuna)]

@Falothorin-wyrmrest-accord

It’s jumping the shark. Like, why does Elune have to be some omni-god? Honestly, that makes her feel a lot less special and, for lack of a better word, intimate than a Moon Goddess.

More than that, it really does make her worst in some cases. If Elune is a moon goddess, who is some powerful, but ultimately non-omnipotent, mother-bear figure, then it makes sense why things like Teldrassil could transpire: that’s just not in her power to stop. But, if she’s some “First One” with magic that’s beyond the cosmology used to create the universe…? Then, it makes it seem like the night elves were just too small for her to really care about, and, man, what a gut punch.

Leaning more toward this.

They’ve introduced the idea that Elune’s worshiped on other planets. If she turns into the Alliance goddess or something and I end up getting lectures on Elune from human priests, that’s gonna suck. It would be an aspect of the Kaldorei that’s watered down and dished out so there’s enough for everyone.

@Nightlighter-quelthalas

if he can create one for Trolls even fighting their souls with The Jailer then why can’t Elune have her own afterlife where with can end up being with her?

Yeah.

What does it say about Elune if Bwonsamdi can protect Trolls from the Maw but she can’t do the same for Night Elves?

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

@Rhuna-lightbringer

human priests

doesnt change the fact that tyrande is still elunes high priests chosen by elune herself.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

Yes I’m saying Elune covers multiple Cosmic Forces:

• Life = she birthed Cenarius in the Dream, she created the Wildkin to protect nature
• Order = Well of Eternity being an arcane font was associated theologically to Elune, the Titan Artifact titled the Tear of Elune given by the Titans to the Kaldorei by process of elimination had to have been given by Eonar, who we find during Legion on a planet called ELUNaria
• Light = Tear of Elune heals/restores the heart of Xe’ra, who Velen says could only be done via someone “down” her line, but he fails to consider someone who “forged” her, the power who made her
• Shadow = Night Warrior is a “dark power” that consumes those who wield it, and the Night Warrior power does Shadow damage as I link in the OP, as well as Elune personally cleansing the Tear of Elune of Nightmare corruption during the Ysera death cinematic, showing her capable of control of Old God corruption
• Death = Night Warrior power secondary effect is all Night Warriors by necessity go to Ardenweald, which is a realm created by the Winter Queen extending herself into the Shadowlands with an inherent tie to the Dream
• Elemental = In various questlines Moonwell water is used to calm elemental water spirits, in gossip text of one of the Azerite Essence items Elune is said to have power over tides

Part of speculation is having fun with where blizz can end up based on usual source material they draw from (Tolkien, Warhammer, D&D, comics, religions)

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Part of speculation is having fun

Sure but you cant just jump into a arguement about the fact that elune might have made the naaru with speculation and expect me to take you seriously (kind of just shows you arent reading my posts or the arguement i was having with the other person)

[Skalcox-cenarion-circle]

@Katiera-moon-guard

She existed before the void and light even made the universe

The very first sentence in WoW Chronicles Volume 1 “Before life began, before even the cosmos took shape, there was light . . . and there was void” it says nothing about Elune, and the idea of Elune was because of something that happened AFTER the cosmos took shape.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

Not are you reading mine. Ever, really. But sure, I apologize in this case.

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

@Skalcox-cenarion-circle

it says nothing about Elune

yeah and the sylvanas short story said nothing about the jailer

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Not are you reading mine. Ever, really. But sure, I apologize in this case.

I do think that elune is more than just light and shadow, she is tied to many things

[Irenaus-wyrmrest-accord (Irenaus)]

Yeah, The Chronicle.

[Yvenathilm-fenris (Yvenathilm)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Yvel is gesturing to Accolon’s theory he’s been talking about for days that has a lot of people straight up eating tinfoil. You’re arguing with that theory lol which I violently reject cuz it’s a Monotheistic WoW Cosmology

I’m personally am of the theory that the First Ones are based on the ones of Babylon 5 which consist of the First Born, the Shadows and the Vorlons.

The Shadows seem analogous to Old Gods, the Vorlons seem analogous to Naaru and the Vorlons corrupted by Thirdspace Aliens seem analogous to Void Naaru…

Both the First Born and the Vorlons are Light-aligned yet the Vorlons seem to be contained within a shell so if Naaru are WoW’s Vorlons and the Old Gods are WoW’s Shadows while the Void Lords are WoW’s Thirdspace Aliens then what what is WoW’s version of the First Born?

I would presume that WoW’s version of the First Born(AKA the first of the First Ones) resemble Old Gods but made of Light not Shadow…

Xal’atath calling Naaru beloved brethren that would return to their masters in time makes me suspect that Naaru are just Void-corrupted First Ones AKA Old Gods shoved into Shards of Pure Light by the uncorrupted First Ones.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Yvenathilm-fenris

Babylon 5

I had no idea what Babylon 5 was before this moment and generally speaking I do not think its likely Blizzard will base their fundamental cosmology of a relatively obscure space opera from television.

Almost everything in WoW is a derivative of Tolkien Mythos, Warhammer Mythos, D&D Mythos, DC Comics Mythos, Marvel Comics Mythos, and IRL Religious Mythos (both dead, such as Hellenic or Norse, or alive, such as Voodoo), with a variety of quests based on or referring to pop culture and movies otherwise. But the major, fundamental, “way the universe works” lore sticks to the former Mythologies I listed.

I think it is far more probable they will base WoW’s cosmology off a fundamental source-text to derive from, such as the Tolkien Mythos, in combination with a theological system they haven’t used yet, which between Diablo (Zoroastrian) and Starcraft (Atheist Big Bang + Lovecraftian But Mostly Benevolent) all that’s left is Strict Monotheism or Gnostic Primordial Duality.

[Yvenathilm-fenris (Yvenathilm)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

I had no idea what Babylon 5 was before this moment and generally speaking I do not think its likely Blizzard will base their fundamental cosmology of a relatively obscure space opera from television.

Did you know that Danuser and other WoW Devs are fans of Babylon 5?

Furthermore the Prophet Velen servant of the Naaru who came in a mysterious Space Ship is very similar to Babylon 5’s Prophet Valen servant of the Vorlons who also came in a mysterious space ship.

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

I had no idea what Babylon 5 was before this moment and generally speaking I do not think its likely Blizzard will base their fundamental cosmology of a relatively obscure space opera from television.

Babylon 5 was a big deal to Afrasiabi’s generation.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Yvenathilm-fenris

Did you know that Danuser and other WoW Devs are fans of Babylon 5?

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

Babylon 5 was a big deal to Afrasiabi’s generation.

Would they really base the fundamental cosmology off of Babylon 5, as much as they do like it?

Really

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Would they really base the fundamental cosmology off of Babylon 5, as much as they do like it?

Really

Why do you think they wouldn’t?
Warcraft as a whole was based on Warhammer Fantasy.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

@Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord

Warcraft as a whole was based on Warhammer Fantasy.

Warhammer in turn a derivative of Tolkien.

Tolkien and its derivatives are more universal and “legible” to most audiences the world over than Babylon 5.

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

Tolkien and its derivatives are more universal and “legible” to most audiences the world over than Babylon 5.

I wonder how true that is? I haven’t seen Babylon 5 despite being relatively feasibly the age to watch it. I’d bet a ton of its tropes have wormed their way all over our media. It was very beloved in the US.

[Baalsamael-turalyon (Baalsamael)]

Oh its def influential now that I’m looking it up, (Stargate, Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, etc) and Blizzard has used themes from all these shows before, but in Starcraft, not WoW

[Katiera-moon-guard (Katiera)]

@Baalsamael-turalyon

do not think its likely Blizzard will base their fundamental cosmology of a relatively obscure space opera from television.

The whole of the draenei are based off babylon 5 Velen is the name of one of the characters pretty sure lot of people working for blizzard watched it

@Baalsamael-turalyon

ould they really base the fundamental cosmology off of Babylon 5

I mean they named Thrall Goel, sounds strangely similar to another orphan from a dying planet

[Kazthan-argent-dawn]

@Risalei-proudmoore

Just watched a video Accolon (I know, I know) posted a couple days ago on YouTube.

Apparently, someone who seems to be a reliable source told him that there is an original creator of the universe that our story is set in.

Ok I stopped reading there.