[Spoilers] Alexstrasza and the Dream

The novels’ big plot beats are (or were) always mandated from on high. Given how hard she fought to conclude it, not least of all in ToW itself, I can’t imagine Dark Jaina was Golden’s own brainchild.

Jaina had no one to blame but herself when Theramore was used as staging ground for troops from Stormwind and Ironforge to invade the Barrens. But instead of accepting her own fault in it they doubled down the Baine guilt trip and had him telling hiw own people they deserved to be killed and banished those to exile who joined the Orcs to avenge Taurajo. Golden is the core of alliance bias with the story and it will finally end once she is fired from her position.

Flat out, it’s simply best never to get ones hopes up that Alliance will ever slip into the darkside and be the ones that start the war. Thus, it’s just best they simply never do HvA again. Ever.

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What happened with Jaina is what she does with every other strong female character.

I will use John Wick as an analogy

Step 1) introduce the unsympethatic villain

Step 2) Introduce trajedy by killing the dead wife’s dog.

Step 3) instead of an awesome montage if gun-fu introduce impotent rage by female character

Step 4) instead of John overcoming incredible odds the female character is shattered and broken by the incredible odds.

Step 5) instead of John putting a bullet in the villain and burning his father’s criminal empire to the ground, John learns that he is the villain, and his rage and hurt are unjustified. He must be better.
He must forgive the drug lord and his son.

No gun-fu, nope. Just forgiveness and tacky one liners.
Thank you for watching John Wick as written by Christie Golden

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Except Jaina was never a John Wick gun-fu assassin. She was an archmage of the Kirin Tor, leader of nations, who always embraced diplomacy and maintaining peace between Alliance and Horde.

If they wanted a strong female John Wick type they should look into developing more story for Valeria Sanguinar or Garona Halforcen.

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I am just loosely explaining what the natural progression for all the female characters she writes are ends up at.

If she were to write John Wick this is how she does it because it fits her morals and this is what she finds compelling.

Doesnt matter what these characters were before or after this is the journey and the world will make sure that you the audience knows what the correct path is.

I technically meant that all the Alliance Lovers get told to tow the line and villain bat the Alliance or else!

Still it’s going to take a lot to frame the Alliance as the bad guys. So far all the conficts we have have been because of the Horde. Orcs insistance on deforesting Night Elves lands, Undead conquering human towns to raise more undead and experiment/torture human prisoners. There have been situations where Alliance are the bad guys but never to such scale.
Even as the Hordes are the provokers they still start wars based on the possibility that perhaps one day the Alliance might come after them. On the other hand if the Alliance becomes the aggresors in the future they would have factual proof that Horde does in fact enjoy going to war because they feel like it.

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This is the kind comment that will bring that Draenei poster that would Reeeeeee about any retaliation the Alliance may be justified is wrong to do because it unfairly penalizes individuals within the Horde who may otherwise be completely innocent.

:rofl:

When the arguments are about Horde justifications, though… they are as silent as the crypt.

They could actually follow through with the Naaru and Lightforged forcing everyone to go through the Lightforging process and thinking they’re doing everyone a favor.

Turalyon might decide he wants to purge all the undead out of Lordaeron and take it back for the Alliance. Generally the attitudes of Light worshippers towards undead is that destroying them is doing them a favor. Not sure why they would give up on that.

Aleria and Umbric could launch their attempt to conquer Quel’thalas without provocation because they think they have the more legit claim on it.

Some night elves might decide that they actually do want some hard vengeance for what happened with Teldrassil.

Dwarves might want to go digging for more riches in Horde territory. They were doing that lots in Vanilla after all.

Any number of Alliance NPCs can pull the Daelin Proudmoore angle and think Horde should pay recompense with their lives.

There’s literally tons of story angles that Blizzard could follow to start some true Alliance war aggression.

They just lack the stones to do it.

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The Naruu are only a big thing for maybe 2 or 3 Alliance races. So them going along with it would mean they are completely abandoning their culture.

Do you see the Night Elves abandoning Elune for the Naaru?

Oh definitely. It doesn’t take much either.
Turalyon makes speech about making the Alliance great again, points at Horde aggression and its inevitability. And off to war we go baby. No mind control naruu needed, there is enough in the book of grudges for the Dawi to march to war.

Horde has worked so hard to paint themselves as true villains that it wouldn’t take much effort to convince the Alliance to launch an attack against those monsters that keep wanting to kill and conquer. Alliance after all has rightful justification to strike first because history proves that Horde will gleefully start a killing spree whenever they feel bored.

I feel bad for Thunderbluff Taures. I really really like them. More Hammul screentime please!

Insert angle of night elves losing faith in Elune and seeking other powers.
It’s why the Druids of the Flame were a thing in Cata and it’s also why there are so many night elf Primalists now.

EDIT: Come to think of it though, Naaru going forced lightforging on Everyone would be more of a PvE threat rather than an Alliance aggression thing. Basically just like the Scourge, only with Light Powers instead of Death Powers. I can see more Alliance supporting it instead of having to be forced into it than Horde though.

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That would make them rogue groups so that doesn’t count as the main NE faction. You can’t really blame that acts of few individuals to the rest of a nation.

We don’t need another poor crisis of faith for the Night Elves to fight the Horde.
The Alliance has enough reasons to want to nuke couple of Horde cities, there is no need to assassinate several Alliance race’s culture and racial identity to find an excuse for them to fight the Horde.

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Yep, Turalyon wanting Alliance Lordaeron or hyper-vengeance NPCs would be the best way to go.

Like I said though, Blizzard lacks the balls to try, so it’s moot.

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Sylvanas and the Undead has a long history of attrocities towards the Alliance. After Southshore, Silverpine, Gilneas, Darkshore, Teldrassil and so on; so it’s not about IF but WHEN they will strike again. Turalyon has only to point his finger at them and probably nobody on the Alliance will ask why.

Not while Calia is there keeping them in check. Lilian Voss supports her as well.

But sure, if Turalyon wants to point his fingers and use “Soemday They’ll Attack Us Again” as an excuse that would be a good Alliance Aggression angle.

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Belmont is up there and he is a deranged murderer. Hopefully the good Undead can keep him on short leash.

Aren’t all Forsaken kind of deranged anyway?