What a weak excuse to not do the right thing.
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The burning of Teldrassil WAS HORRIFIC.
That does not mean every single Horde player and NPC was responsibly for it.
Did they even know what happened is an excellent excuse for not turning on your allies.
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Battle for Darkshore is still going on.
The Horde is doubling down on this atrocity.
So far the races there are.
Forsaken, goblins, orcs and trolls.
Only Blood Elves and Tauren are missing as far as I have seen.
And those Horde forces there are evil, no one is disputing that.
Well there you go.
4 core races out of the 6 are evil.
ā¦ THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THOSE 4 RACES ARE NOT THERE.
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Hot take. Horde kind of saved Azeroth by defeating Gāhuun which means they saved Alliance by extension. Theyāre redeemed ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
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Even so, itās gotten to the point where itās become apparent that there is something wrong with the Horde as a people, a society, and a culture. This is the consequence of how Blizzard has written them these past years.
This isnāt what I want. This isnāt what I signed up for way back in BC when I started playing. But to pretend otherwise would just cause more dissonance. Blaming it all on Sylvanas only perpetuates the issue.
I donāt agree with most of Lithyaās stances. But in this part, I sort of do. Itās the natural consequence of how Blizzard has continually written the Horde.
The Horde is like that one distant friend who is a violent drug user. Thereās a good person in there somewhere, but time and time again they fall into their habit and hurt someone. Sometimes they hurt you and sometimes they hurt others. Then they sober up and swear itāll never happen again.
But it does. They fall off the wagon again and again and again and someone ends up hurt each time. Thatās what the Horde has been and I hate it. Putting all the blame on Sylvanas is akin to blaming it all on the drugs. Eventually you have to realize that itās the person whoās the problem.
I donāt say this because I want the Horde to be āredeemedā or even punished. Hell, this realization is one of the main things that drove me to cancel my sub and stop playing. This is the corner Blizz has written the Horde in. And I honestly canāt see a way out of it.
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Yeah thats the sort of excuse we would come to expect lol.
Hey we totally know we burned thousands of civilians and then started to rape the land where their ashe lay but we are totally redeemed because we stopped Ghuun.
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And that writing is putting it all on Syl.
at the darkshoreā¦there should be at least a couple of dozen of Horde soldiersā¦from different racesā¦
thing of this horror would have spread like wild fireā¦which would have gotten into the racial leadersā earsā¦
even if they had doubtā¦Saurfang was thereā¦which they could have ask him what happenā¦and I doubt Saurfang would lie about what happen to Teldrassilā¦
Thatās my point, the information would trickle out, but that takes time.
I donāt understand why a Horde would have to worry about redeeming with the alliance. What the Horde has to do is win the war.
Honestly, if the alliance had the opportunity to burn undeads on a bonfire they would do the same.
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Wow that drug user analogy.
Very well said.
How many does it take to light the catapults? Say, twenty people?
Probably the same twenty who lit them, but letās say there were ten extra ones who werenāt involved in the lighting.
And how many did that take? Iāll be generous and say thatās another thirty druids, although frankly I donāt think it would take that many.
How many were within earshot and able to even reach her between the time the order was given and the time the catapults were fired? Two hundred? Five hundred? Iāll go with five hundred as the absolute most that could possibly have intervened.
So with very generous estimates of numbers, thatās maybe five hundred and sixty members of the Horde that youāve āprovedā are āevilā according to your evidence. Which is still far from the entire Horde.
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Yo I just wanna get this out there but if any of you slimy bastards have used Merc modeā¦ yāall have killed more Horde soldiers than Baine ever has brahā¦ just gettinā it out thereā¦ just gettin the pvp battleground forums and story forums together
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You cant hate on the writing when it is convenient and then use it to absolve yourself.
Yes we know the writers like to insult our intelligence on a daily basis but we are all here to discuss the lore as we would a good book or TV show.
Blaming just sylvanas to absolve Horde as if it is completely blameless in BFA is totally disengenious.
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Which iām not doing, the writing is trying to push it all on Syl though.
Oh I know.
Which is incredibly stupid.
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