[SPOILER] Is Baine key to Redemption for the Horde?

Everyone was in agreement for SoO, just having specific groups splinter off isn’t going to work, or be feasible for survival.

I dont know what to tell you then… switch factions? Because the Horde IS evil now.
Its undeniable.

So whichever race that stuck with Sylvanas is evil too and needs to be brought down.
If Blood Elves and tauren walked away you think Andiun would follow them to kill them? Come on.

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No, Sylvanas is evil. The entire Horde did not engage in the burning of Teldrassil.

Anduin is not the entire Alliance.

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The fact that they keep following her and not arresting her is incredibly damning.

They support Sylvanas. They supported the burning.

I dont understand how you could be so badly in denial.

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Not quite that simple. I did do the WoT on my Alliance character, so that automatically awarded me both mounts.

But my point is that I didn’t do the scenario. Why do you want to punish me? For choosing Team Red back in 2008?

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And then what? That’s not gonna stop the war, that’s not how this works.

becasue she’s currently in charge while everyone is trying to kill them.

They did not.

You’re the one operating under the assumption that if the horde leaders just say no not with you that the entirety of the Horde and Alliance would get along great after. It won’t.

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gasp Your ally was complicit!

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I think this would be a great way to lose more players.

That’s assuming the alliance at the end of the war wins and has the strength to impose something on the horde.

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sorry…but this argument is vaguely weak…
when the catapults were lit…its not done by Slyvanas…
when the catapults were fired…its not done by Slyvanas…
when to make the fire bigger…Horde druids create wind to increase the fire…
even when the order were given…no one from the Horde step up and arrest or even challenge her order or leadership…

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The entirety of the Horde was not there so my point still stands.

Regardless the various racial leaders are throwing their lot with Sylvanas.
As such the entirety of the Horde bears the same responsibilities.

If you need real world examples there are certain trials in Nuremburg that sets the precedent.
The Horde and their entire leadership is still guilty.
The only one I am willing to absolve is Saurfang, he actively tried to deter her and then abandoned her.
Everyone else? Guilty your honor.

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Because. The. Alliance. Is. Trying. To. Kill. Them.

They do not have a walking out option yet. Garrosh kicked out every non Orc member and declared himself enemy to everything, that’s when we teamed up.

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Your faction did though.
Just going forward if you are going to RP just keep in mind your faction is evil.
Thats really all I am saying here. Whether the Alliance gets their revenge or not.

This says it all, you want to punish and demonize every single Horde player no matter what.

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Why is the Alliance trying to kill them? (Even thought they are attacking Zandalari and vulperans instead of Horde)

Cause they’re idiots?

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Actually they can…
once Teldrassil was being burned…the racial leaders should immediately disfranchised themselves from the Horde, arrest those involve in the act of war crime and send ambassadors to the Alliance to explain what happened and will not support Slyvanas…

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Your faction literally burned babies to death and started poisoning the land where their ashes used to be.

How in gods green earth is this not evil?

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Did they have that oppurtunity? Was all of the leaders in the know when it happened?