[SPOILER] Is Baine key to Redemption for the Horde?

Also also you set the those poor foxes on fire.

Well that would be the entirety of the Horde high command and every soldier involved in war of thorns including the player.
Narratively speaking.

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Then so be it. Also I wasn’t a part of that, I missed the pre-patch. No bat mount for me ;_;

Would you allow us to keep playing if we could prove that we didn’t have those quests completed, oh benevolent one?

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Just gotta look at our mount collection…

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Gee

By deposing the people who did that and putting in good leadership instead.

And no, you’re completely wrong about War of Thorns. The vast majority of the Horde, including the player and Saurfang, went into Darkshore with the intent of capturing and occupying Darnassus, not burning Teldrassil to the ground.

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Thats the problem isnt it?

Horde players gets all these scenarios to do whatever blizzard wants and then walk away with zero consequence.
The only ones Alliance is allowed to attack are random trolls or vulperans completely unrelated to the events.

I would either end both factions or have Horde cities have Alliance guards or something to show some sort of occupation.

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Which you should feel bad about.

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Problem is all Horde leaders and their respective races still follow sylvanas.

Defended her city and continue the war on her behalf.
The Horde as an entity is guilty here. I don’t understand why you keep giving them passes.
If you found out your buddy burns people for kicks would you still hangout with them?

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Because she’s the Warchief and they’re at war.

Saurfang, Baine and Vol’jin say hi.

You expected them to just stand by and give up Undercity willingly?

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The Horde as an entity is guilty here. I don’t understand why you keep giving them passes.

No, that’s why I chose Saurfang.

We are saving Azeroth from the fox furries.
You should be thanking us.

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You are damning us all.

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Every single Horde race including those you mentioned is following Sylvanas to kill more people.
Despite what she did.

They are all guilty. Including Saurfang.

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I am just saying at this point we should all recognize the fact that the Horde is the evil playable faction.

There is nothing wrong with that.
Horde is just evil and going forward it should keep playing that role and stop pretending otherwise.

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The Horde must pay for the war crimes that they had done…
At least war reparations must be enforce…
An example will be to look at the rank and file soldiers during the 3rd Reich…
They were send to hard labor to repair the destruction of the nations they attacked…
After this expansion…the Horde players should be gated at least a high number of WQs related to repairing Teldrassil and earn the forgiveness of the NE which they had inflicted…

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Saurfang isn’t guilty in the slightest. He tasked the player with sending Auberdine citizens to safety, he tried to stop the catapults from firing on Teldrassil, and he got so fed up with Sylvanas that he left the Horde and is actively conspiring against her.

If that’s not enough for you, then it’s useless trying to satisfy you.

Because those people are now trying to kill us. Because we’re at war now.

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How about no. Because I and thousands of others didn’t sign on to play the bad guys.

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Unless their leaders announce they are no longer part of her Horde and BoL would be just like SoO.