Problem is had he not warned Jaina she wouldn’t have sent out for Kirin Tor and Alliance aid, which would have left Garrosh no choice but to seize his forces advantage and attack, else he risk tipping off the Alliance he has a plan up his sleeve err dragon bone shoulder pad.
I am really hoping that attitude costs both factions dearly by the end of this expansion. The Horde and Alliance should get their butts completely kicked for having ignored the dying world and lurking old gods. I am really hoping that at the end we face a situation where neither faction has the manpower to effectively defeat the enemy and the best we can do is keep them from total victory and at great cost.
Anything less and it makes every enemy in WoW’s lore a complete and total narrative joke. Hell, Blizz has come close to neutering the Void already with Void Elves.
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Garrosh made sure they knew he was coming and would have time to prepare. He had ships sitting just outside Theramore to provoke the Alliance. He made sure that it would be easy to spot the forces he had gathered at Northwatch Hold.
Heck, Kalecgos told her about the Horde army gathering at Northwatch about 5 minutes after Baine’s messenger.
Nothing would have changed if Baine hadn’t warned Jaina… except for Baine.
To be fair, only one faction actually wanted to ignore the whole dying world thing, the other one was genocided and needed to make sure they didn’t keep getting genocided.
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It’s impossible for me to care less about Jaina’s opinion. Baine is weak and cowardly. What the Horde needs is to find strength and rise up alone and not seek pardon of the alliance.
What I see from it all is a great route for the horde races to become bootlicker of humans just as the night elves and draenei are.
By the way, I believe Baine would love to lick Anduin’s boots.
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Most of their forces are in Darkshore, “Gilneas stands with Teldrassil!” but there was a few in the suicide mission.
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Yes, but even then the Night Elves, Forsaken, and even the Goblins are allowed to offer forces that do their iconic thing in incursions as well despite being occupied in Darkshore. This kind of stuff kinda helps show some flavor for the races and seeing Worgen absent from it just continues to show me that Blizzard doesn’t know what they want the race to be or what it specializes in during times of war.
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deep sigh
That’s how it’s lookin.
We will get tainted with his parasites of human potential and boiking worship
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You do fight a houndmaster in one Nazmir WQ.
They wouldn’t share the hats.
More seriously it didn’t take much from Garrosh or Sylvanas to convince Lordearon to go to war with Gilneas, they had a bone to pick.
To be honest? Boring compared to the Void Elves and what they bring.
Blizzard can and should honestly do better than that.
That’s a different matter altogether but I think anyone who has any justifiable reason for feeling resentment towards Gilneas are the living refugees who sat outside the wall begging to come in and then either being killed by Forsaken or whatever else lurked in Silverpine.
They’re puppers with puppers, what else can they bring?
Sons of Arugal most likely. Just like everything else in that zone.
I don’t work for Blizzard, but if I did I’d have Bloodfang Worgen using stealth and ambush tactics, Nightbane Worgen conjuring shadow spirits, Worgen Druids communing with the land of Drustvar and creating their own treant constructs that look more sinister. Probably have a moment where the Horde broadcast text tells you there’s a Drust threat that’s been picking off Horde troops and you find out it’s actually Worgen doing it.
There’s just so many things they can do and all they choose are dog or furry jokes.
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Not nearly as many as did die because Garrosh decided to hold his attack, rather than push his advantage. The Horde had the initiative and the numbers to overwhelm Theramore quite easily after Northwatch, however Garrosh decided his objective was not merely to take the city; it was to lure as many Alliance leaders to one position as possible and then showboat a bit with the Manabomb. Hence the reason he waited. He wanted Theramore to be reinforced before wasting his bomb.
Long story short, Baine’s letter was ultimately irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Garrosh would have still waited to ensure that as many allies to Jaina came to her aid; he would have still sent in ground troops to put a fire in that leadership to arrive (led largely by Bloodhoof and Darkspear forces, because he considered them expendable); it would have still been a bloodbath for those forces; and the Mana-Bomb would have still been dropped.
Or am I conveniently forgetting the entire narrative of “Tides of War” to justify the irrational hatred of Baine? Dude sent a letter to get the civilians out then led on the front-lines when it came time to take the city. Seems to me he wasn’t keen on the prospect of slaughtering innocents is all; especially after Jaina and Theramore aided him in reclaiming Thunder-Bluff during the Grimtotem Rebellion.
Imagine having a view this narrow-minded and boring. No, I’m not going to recognize jack sh!t. The reason I signed up for this faction was so I could play Thrall’s anti-hero Horde, and no emo void junkie elf is going to dictate whether or not I can be “redeemed.”
Implying I care what the Alliance’s idea of redemption is, anyway.
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I completely agree with you. But don’t expect that many people understand this. The forum is full of Horde fans with a strange concept of loyalty and honor, that don’t match at all with the values from the original Horde, the Horde that one day dock in Kalimdor.
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I think that’s mostly in the treatment. Teldrassil was really played up for pathos. If Gilneas had had
- A clear statement that the only people in the city were noncombatants
- A hopeless quest to save more than you possibly could
- A Christie-Golden-written novel to tug at the heartstrings (she’s good at that)
then I think you’d have seen the same reaction.
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If that’s your attitude, they didn’t sell Space Satan properly.
Approved of =/= hand-picked.
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Your faction deliberately burned women and children alive in the thousands and then sent troops to poison that same land and torture any survivors.
Please explain to me how the Horde can be possibly redeemed besides time traveling backwards?
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And then come BfA and… nothing.
By getting rid of those who di those things.
Also y’all invaded a country, ransacked and murdered the people, and killed their king so they hopefully wouldn’t ally with us so…
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