To the OP, no Baine isn’t key to redemption of the Horde. Neither is Vol’jin, Lor’themar, or even Thrall when he was still around. Characters are vehicles for storytelling. Blizzard can easily have a Horde redemption story through Sylvanas if they wanted. Hell, Blizzard could have a Horde “faction pride” story with Vol’jin if they didn’t kill him off.
“Redemption” in a narrative lies with the narrative itself ala the storytelling. Not any one individual character.
Jaina and Genn were stupid if they though Rastakhan would surrender when they were destroying his city and killing citizens.
This kind of scenario will make any leader want to kill the invander, if Baine with Theron were invading Kul’tiras and in their way toward Jaina they destroyed a great part of the city of Boralus then for sure Jaina will fight with tooth and nail against the invaders.
Heck yeah! MAKE WAY FOR DA BAD GUY!
Yea, I I’m Salty. I didn’t ask for blood elves to come to the horde. I didn’t ask for the majority of the horde to become goku/cloud/sephiroth, hair flippers. I didn’t ask to see the majority of Horde locations to inundated with dumb knife eared crack heads. I was playing the Horde. The aforementioned hair-flippers that we have like a mrsa infection that is outta control is something alliance should have to deal with. I will reiterate that I think you faeries belong on the Alliance.
While the orcs have done terrible things, they are far more in line for redemption than the Forsaken will ever be. Despite what we have done in the past, it still doesn’t hold a candle to the forsaken.
Of course, and you think the alliance won’t attack a target of opportunity after you set one of their cities on fire. Compared to Teldrassil, Dazar’alor is tame. You seem to think that Horde is immune to retaliation after it does something horrible and stupid. After what the Horde has done, everything the alliance has done is tame in comparison. We are the villains in this.
I don’t give a rip about Rastakhan. His country supported us, he made his choice, he died with honor, and rather than have his whole town bulldozed and burned down, we just got a timid surgical strike. We can recover from this.
If the alliance wants to punish someone, go to Orgrimmar, this is why I can tolerate Stormwind being razed to the ground but when the horde goes full retard like Teldrassil, they deserve to be punish for stupidity like losing their main powerful city
Good to know you don’t care about Rastakhan and the Zandalaris, I don’t care about the hypocrites humans like Genn, Anduin and Jaina and the screecher can kill then all(although raisen then is a problem because she is still keeping humans in the narratives)
I don’t care about genn and co. either. But I don’t find them to be hypocrites. I think the Zandalari are going to be nice addition to our character line up, but lore wise Zandalar was asking for it, and this outrage for a small surgical strike after all that happened is ,quite frankly, stupid.
At least you admit to wanting to get beaten by the villain bat. More power to you.
The kultirans are attacking trolls and orcs since vanilla(yeah i know just quest npc but they still count until cataclysm) if we go by the logic of x did something some time ago and needs to pay, then the war cycle will be infinite.
The zandalaris only asked help to deal with G’huun or else the whole island would had been like Nazjatar but a full liberated old god with azerite nearby to consume.
Small skirmishes don’t count as nukes. Also the vanilla kul-tirans were a rogue band. Basically bandits. they had it coming and Theramore would have been just as inclined to put them down to. But wait! We nuked them as well!
Also, don’t give me that whole: “They asked for help bs”. The horde wanted their huge fleet. Said huge fleet was a paramount threat to an alliance that not long before had one of it’s towns firebombed by a lich queen that wanted to scratch her war itch. And we get dragged right behind for more villian bat sessions.
Right now, the horde is becoming a comedy, one that it most certainly was not when it made the transition from WC3 to WoW Vanilla.
Theramoore was used as a base to fight the horde after Garrosh decided to invade Ashenvale and the Kul’tirans counted with support from the islands goverment(there is a letter), that gave Garrosh enough justification in the eyes of the army and the nuke while pretty brutal, every civilian was evacuated but not for Garrosh’s mercy, mostly because he wanted to stack the max ammount of alliance soldiers and blow them up which isn’t much better than being killed by an axe or stabbed but they were destined to die.
Do you realize the “help bs” also affects the KT as well? Because even with the horde doing bad deeds again(thanks blizzard) also it’s a motive to destroy their fleet in the militar sense? The zandalaris got their city destroyed, losed dinosaurs and civilians(yes the dark irons furies that were used by Garrosh are out killing civlians and dinosaurs, those guys didn’t burned night elves).
Talanji ask me to retrieve the head of Jaina and damm hope I can do that and not holding hands with the stupid humans that use their allies as cannon fodder.
Also they got betrayed by Lady Ashvane that uses slave manpower, leads pirates and bought a federal prision to transform it into his own fortress, this things are always forgotted until the current evil warchief does a bargain with them
Well then Garrosh should not have started that whole garbage then. That support from Theramore, came from smugglers and criminals who were being rounded up. No that does not give carte blanche to nuke someone. Please, never get elected into office.
Sorry? Is Zandalar a smoking crater? No? Is it going to be business as usual at the dawn of the next day in the city? Yes? Then it was not destroyed. It wasn’t really scratched, just some grunts, undead trash and furious militia shopkeepers and one arrogant king who made a deal with troll-grim-reaper.
Yes Garrosh burned Night Elves, or rather one of his commanders did. Yes he punished that commander.
That’s nice.
I hope the Horde is ready for Horde humans.
Dude you sound like Sylvanas in the short story of the good war with the whole shtick of “the alliance will never forgive we exist” or “theramore, gilneas, the orc camps, daeling hunting the darkspear, etc”.
Attacking a city full of civilians and their priest it’s bad, so would you be ok if the horde just killed all the priest, paladins and generals in Stormwind and destroying the city if they left after the attack? Not matter if the other side did it, the other side has to either siege the main city and force the horde to surrender or else they are playing the same game as the horde.
Also Garrosh dark shamans burned people and the earth itself in the story of tides of war, the incident in stonetalon has nothing to do here, most of the shamans of the horde and alliance were disgusted by this action.
Look I am not saying the horde is good and alliance is bad but attacking the zandalaris is still a dick move just like attacking the nelves for being allies of the humans and while the city wasn’t destroyed because the PC horde was there and plot armor(blizzard won’t destroy a hub or else Boralus will suffer another Theramoore 2.0)
Firstly, Dazar’alor was not destroyed. Again, it wasn’t really even scratched. Secondly, in the whole invading Stormwind, we are welcome to try whenever we want. A surgical strike is small potatos as opposed to blighting everything. Attacking Dazar’alor was not a “dick move” as it was a forgone conclusion that the horde would get that fleet. If Dazar’alor was turned into a crater via mana bomb my reaction would be:
“Hey, alliance is finally doing something with substance for the first time in…?”
“Yea, that’s a dick move, first one in many years by the blue team too, I am kinda proud, their junk may finally be dropping”
Now things can get interesting instead of them letting us walk all over them, like you seem to be advocating. Because right now it’s like beating a puppy that only takes baby nips at you.
You want to attack stormwind, you go right ahead.
One location was primarily built out of stone, one was primarily built out of wood, guess which is easier to destroy quickly and with minimal effort.
Though part of the blame does fall on the Night Elves for living in a massive tree and not having a system set up to fight a large fire.
They also didn’t go in with the intention of destroying the Dazor’alor, or killing Rastakhan. Consequently they just quickly did their surgical strike and left, also due to some choices Rasty-boi made, he got a paddling. The horde went in to night elf lands with the idea to kill non combatants (and even raise them as fodder later), and that they did, and they did it frequently. And burned their tree down killing many.
They aren’t comparable. At all. Worst of all, as players, we had to participate, whether we wanted to or not. No choice, and not even a shadow was present of the horde we knew when we first logged on many years back.
Also, if the alliance wanted to crater Dazar’alore, they could have, and they could have done it rather quickly especially with jaina’s mary sue powers.
Could they really, though? Then why didn’t they? Why don’t they take out Orgrimmar in the same way?
According to the story the quick strike was the best they could pull off, and that cost them their entire diversionary force so they didn’t have to face the main Zandalari forces.
Why didn’t they? For the same reason that Ultra-Jaina came flying in on her boat easily smashing the walls in the starting cinematic. Reasons. Reasons known only to the fickle whims of writers.
Everything remains.
No, she’s on the same path she’s always been on.
From what? The Horde is doing what it thinks is necessary for survival.
To what? A Horde subjugated into Alliance-lite again is no Horde at all.
Do you think Germany needed to kill the Jews for Germany’s survival?
Because thats your argument.
I only bring up WW2 because everyone is familiar with it.
Otherwise we could use different examples like Myanmar.