If the Horde is going to continue being the way it is, then why have a Horde? Especially one themed initially on redemption? Why bake the cake only to poison it later.
Nope. I am pretty sure nothing remains at this point.
Which is arguably a dark path. The same one Arthas went on, except the roster of meat-shields changed.
The Horde did not need to do this for “survival”. Furthermore the Horde is cementing the evidence for a “lack of need” for their survival. We did this once in Cata-Mop. Did this story need to be rehashed?
Hate to disappoint you, but the way things are going, we may be saying bye-bye to the faction system in general. The Horde might become alliance lite anyways. The horde was never meant to be an “evil” faction. Savage, but not evil.
Again, if they aren’t going to dismantle the factions at the end of this, seeing as this is supposed to be the “swansong of the faction conflict”, then they need to make a third faction for all the edgelords.
Talanji says the city was destroyed, we should discard her word just like the word of Tyrande about the night elves being genocided because we see lots of then in darkshore?
Maybe use your eyes and notice that nothing is particularly cratered. Perhaps that would help? If you are still trying to compare this with teldrassil you will still end up being very wrong. Business and peace disruption for a couple of weeks or months vs burned alive in your homes on a tree that doubles as an island that has very few ways to get out.
Theramore is city that was destroyed, Gilneas is a city that was abandoned, Teldrassil’s smoking ruins, is a city that was destroyed. Dazar’alore, which looks completely intact except for some debris and trash, does not compare, no matter how hyperbolic Talanji is written.
I am not comparing the lose/destruction, just the intention was the same, zandalaris got their city destroyed and king killed, if Saurfang finished the job with Malfurion then Teldrassil would had been ocupied but the screecher screw it.
Want to retail the horde, then go to their capitals, push the blood elves out of Quel’thalas, siege Orgrimmar again but taking the fight to another faction that just recently joined because they had problems it’s a big dick move, the same way to attack nelves to reach Stormwind in the eyes of Saurfang
I keep explaining this, but you keep choosing to ignore it. The fleet that Sylvanas wanted was a priority, it was already slated to be given to the service of the Horde. They were already helping the us, and that made them a target. Therefore Dazar’alor was valid no matter how much whining you do. Period. “Noone in the history of war goes, hey that nation attacked us, let’s completely avoid their support network and go straight for their capital”. That is idiotic.
Dark isn’t evil. I think there’s a fair case to be made for Arthas, so there’s definitely a case to be made for Sylvanas. Especially when the terms are so vacuous.
You can hear what you want to hear. All you are doing right now throwing ad-hominems and not addressing the arguments at hand. Maybe because you don’t have anything valid, you certainly don’t seem like it at any rate. See, two can play at this game.
This is a fallacy, Reductio ad Hitlerum. And it’s bad faith nonsense especially in this case. Jews were citizens of Germany whom the government had an obligation to protect. The Night Elves were international enemies of the Horde whose position would be gravely detrimental in the arms race to come. At worst, you can call it Pearl Harbor, if you nix every drop of context in the East China Sea.
I don’t grant that she even has moral capacity, given she’s an agent of Death and it’s mythic representative in the Narrative. Death is an amoral equalizer “in the end, death comes to us all.” Alliance doesn’t get to sit nice just because they have the Light and the key to immortality. Sylvanas is less of a moral agent than she is an existential question.
The Japanese ensured they only struck military installations.
They did not throw bio weapons unto unsuspecting civilians in Hawaii to ensure they killed as many as they could so the US could never use Hawaii ever again.
Fact is Germany viewed the jews as a threat. Whether they were german, polish, french or whatever.
They were all considered a threat and so they decided to wipe them out which is what you are advocating for in this fictional universe.
a) It was the closest analogy, I don’t care. If you want to use Hiroshima, okay, I’m fine with that too. It’s far more extreme than Teldrassil, but okay you can have the strongest case.
b) if you seriously think this is what I’m arguing, you either have Zero political sense or are arguing disingenuously and in bad faith.
RE b)
Germany viewed Jews as a threat, okay. But that’s like saying anytime someone claims a thing is a threat and acts on that basis it’s necessarily the same as the Shoah. Which is absurd, hence why it’s been made a Logical Fallacy. If you want to compare Sylvanas’ actions to Hitler, you have to actually make the case instead of tritely assert it. And so far, you’ve got A) “She used chemical weapons on civilians,” which is terrible, but in terms of relevance, is much closer to modern American applications of biochemical weapons, rather than those of wartime Germany; and B) “She destroyed a region that contains people ostensibly of the same race/religion/demographic,” which on several layers describes every military event in history and isn’t even true in its basic sense as the tree contained Night Elves, Worgen, Humans, Furbolgs and Satyrs.
I’m very clearly not advocating for anything besides the story being good and interesting and sensible. The Burning of Teldrassil is nowhere near the Shoah for several reasons already outlined and to compare the two frankly is an outrage to the latter. Sylvanas razing Teldrassil under the conditions she did makes sense within the narrative, the goals and intentions of the Horde, and her personal motives, and it makes for a far more compelling and (ironically) human story than the next Big Bad in World of Warcraft.
Sylvanas razing Teldrassil was on the simple principal that:
A) I want to damage my enemy’s moral.
B) Because they are a threat to me I am entitled to kill them all root and stem.
Hiroshima is a terrible example.
The US demonstrated with the Nuclear weapon that they can strike anywhere and anytime with a single bomb to completely and utterly destroy any target.
WW2 is chalk full of examples of millions of bombs being thrown down to level cities. The Nuclear weapons used in Japan were so frightning because the US did not need millions of explosives to accomplish that level of destruction.
One bomb.
One plane.
Was enough.
That’s why America did what they did and thats how they ended that war.
What you are doing is a false equivalency and excusing genocide.
Side point, but I’m curious: do the Alliance currently have the capability to make mana bombs? If they do, then why aren’t they making some (apart from “that’s not the story we’re interested in telling”)?