[SPOILER] Is Baine key to Redemption for the Horde?

Lucky. Not a whole lot looks good on me, from what I’ve seen. Usually I’d try to go for ironically ugly transmog choices because the two 90 degree bends in my posture and lack of shoes makes it hard to find a modern set I think looks acceptable.

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I think the devs are going to tell us the Horde is redeemed. They don’t seem willing to commit to openly calling the Horde evil.

I expect a lot of people to be dissatisfied when this happens.

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I am kind of interested in hearing your opinion.
Do you think they can be if you were given the steering wheel right now?
(IE you cant change the past.)

On the whole, yes. I’m very big on “It’s never too late,” at least in fiction. But it would be a long and complicated process, likely taking more than one expansion, and there’s no way it would satisfy everyone. It would probably have to involve moving a lot of the current cast to the background and bringing forward some new characters.

SMH. Baine is lame. I hate how Blizzjam uses him as a soapbox for the honorable Horde when he’s clearly killed more Horde than Alliance through his actions. I don’t get why they expect the player base to instantly like Baine for talking about peace when he always comes from a position of weakness. It’s like stating a belief of pcification when one is a noodle armed wimp instead of a Rich Piana.

There should be an option for players to tell him to get lost like they did with Zappyboi.

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I wrote this on another thread, but it seems relevant here too:

I think this question of just why Baine stays in the Horde, and why he hasn’t stood up for his people so far, is why it’s so hard to take him seriously or respect him when he rumbles about peace.

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This data leads me to believe that Baine is not a Tauren hero, but an Alliance one.

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If you bothered to read. Which you never do but instead peddle misinformation. As always.

You would see I question the very idea that the Horde can ever be redeemed.
The answer is they can’t. Horde is the evil player faction and I look forward to what other evil they will do next.

I agree actually. In BFA ActiBlizzion threw the Horde into the trash for the sake of the Alliance story.

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The Horde was already in the trash though.

So the orcs weren’t part of the horde when most of them supported Garrosh with the troll ghettos and martial law in Orgrimmar? Nice logic there

I hope you feel antagonized then. I think everyone is getting dismantled at the end of this. Good riddance if so. That means I don’t have to dragged along for the villian bat sessions. I can choose where to go.

They were, and just like the forsaken are as a whole, a big mistake, sometimes, we have small mistakes within our ranks. We “correct” those mistakes. Those mistakes usually become raid trash and get beaten to death for standing in the way of loot and glory.

In fact, I believe that many mistakes were “corrected” out in the open streets of orgrimmar that day a long time ago.

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Thank you.

I feel you. Maybe they will allow our trolls to stand up straight when they release the Zandalari.

Well then they should evacuate, and the king’s soldiers should have evacuated them. Those shopkeepers got a sudden shot of patriotic zeal and decided to become militia. Same thing if I were storming an alliance town. Hands off of civvies unless they show clear violent intent.

Teldrassil is worlds away from Dazar’alor. Dazar’alor was a surgical strike compared to the literal firebombing of Teldrassil’s everything.

Yeah, pretty much.

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What? You don’t think the horde is strong enough to be a better alliance than the alliance are? Right now that would be preferable to being scourge cultist’s wearing red.

The Horde has too much blood on its hand to ever take up that mantle.
Old blood and new blood.
Lots of blood.

Lorewise allies are idiots that let things slide.