The issue about continue with the trend of making Horde players miserable for something we have consistently complained about since the start.
To put it in perspective dear, I’ll “admit Horde is evil and move on” when you “admit Alliance is idiotic lawful good and move on”.
Oh absolutely. I have been saying that for years.
You still have to move on… Had you actually moved on, you woyldn’t complain over the writers scapegoating the faction with Sylvanas in the first place.
Soooo… Come back to preach when you actually fulfill the deal yourself, dear.
I said I concede that the Alliance are idiotic lawful good but that doesn’t mean I will ignore it or be happy about it nor did I say Horde players should be happy about being the evil faction only awknowledge it that they are evil and we can move on from there.
We can’t talk about something if we are both on a different page regarding what we are discussing.
Or are you of the opinion that the Horde did nothing wrong and they are completely morally justified in what they did?
This expac would have been so much more interesting if it started with Siege of Lordaeron and then War of Thorns as a follow up. Even before it was announced I’ve been saying that if there was to be another faction war it should have been started by Alliance just to avoid ye ole cliche’. They could have done it easily if they had followed suit with Jaina’s ragequit personality at the start of Legion and had her make the first moves to get a war going.
But…alas, wasn’t meant to be. Blizzard looks at Alliance players like a hyperly over-protective parent who won’t let their kid play sports because boo boos hurt, when in reality the kid wants their moments of kick a$$ and take names.
I’m on the opinion that this trash narrative can’t be fixed and that some heads on the writting department should roll for the idiotic mistake of trashing the products being offered by Blizz.
Again: saying “oh yes, I suppose we will have to conform to play the baddies for the Alliance and it’s players” is the equivalent to applaud Afriasiabi et al. Ridiculous. Are you guys willing to say “oh yes, I suppose we will have to conform as the losers that will always get hit by the big bad Horde and it’s players but that will never ever be able to get retribution farther than a moral highground”? No?. Good. Then exercise some objective thinking and don’t demand one side to submit so you people can claim further perks in the future (this narrative affects BOTH factions).
what are you talking about?
The alliance player has been being hit repeatedly in the face since cataclysm.
Most of Ashenvale is on fire, you can never do anything about it.
Theramore blows up. You cant do anything about it.
Horde marches through all of ashenvale, darkshore and commits genocide and as a response we burn some vulperans because god forbid we attack the actual horde?
Come on the Alliance has been dealing with these issues for years and BFA is no different. But you are also asking me to pretend the Horde is somehow good and none of this is their fault?
Yes you have been. But you don’t realize that giving in to the delusional narrative of the devs and accepting the Horde sacrifice on the villain altar won’t stop you people from getting hit repeatedly on the face regardless.
If we both protest maybe someone up there will realize they need to invest in actual competent writers, cause feedback regarding plot is negative regardless of faction, period.
And me saying the Horde are actually the good guys despite everything the Devs make them do you think would solve that?
They are already blaming everything, absolutely everything on Sylvanas as if she is single handedly doing every morally repugnant thing we see.
If anything me, agreeing with you that the Horde is not actually evil supports that narrative so I refuse to do so. What’s it gonna take for you to finally admit that the Horde is evil if a genocide isn’t enough?
You don’t actually have to put a label on the faction, dear. Only thing you have to do is to denounce the bad writting that made a cartoon unpunishable character of one side and a moron wimp character of the other with no apparent fix for any of them, period.
This is no single player game for kiddies… Both factions can be both Antagonists of each other and protagonist of their own narrative. (The word “antagonist” does not necessarily means villain… Check Death Note for example).
Yes the writing is terrible.
What are you going to say if 6 months from now we see that Sylvanas takes all the blame and poor innocent horde did nothing wrong?
Because thats where we are headed.
No player worth it’s weight will pretend the Horde becomes a shinning beacon of godness just because Sylvanas gets killed. We didn’t do it in MoP and we certainly won’t be able to do it after BfA.
But then again we Hordies from the heart aren’t into the faction because it’s pure lawful good either, but because it actually is a gray chaotic mess that does both terribly good and terribly bad stuff. Horde are the pragmatic individuals that value fast action over ideals, after all.
Some Horde posters are happy to support Sylvanas or Garrosh and say they did nothing wrong though.
So I really don’t see it this way. When Sylvanas goes the average Horde player walks away happy and the Alliance is once again left to hang dry.
I repeat: no player worth it’s weight. Don’t be so hasty to label us with such broad terms, dear.
Regardless of their weight (shame on you for body shaming them) just blaming sylvanas does a huge diservice to the narrative. No matter how badly you think Horde was alienated by once again going back to their genocidal roots.
But lets go back to the main topic.
Can the Horde be redeemed? If so how?
I would say no. They cannot possibly be redeemed.
The best we can argue for is savage unthinking animals who dont know any better.
I don’t think that was meant to be a body-shaming thing. It’s short for “worth its weight in gold”.
Lol dude it was a joke.
Trying to lighten things up. Come on man.
Indeed it was. But then again it’s not like Lithya is actually interested in listening to our points, is she? So far, she’s still stuck in her “label shaming so my side can QQ for upper status quo” agenda… As usual. If not the obsession with players cattering to Horde villain labeling becomes unnecessary…
This expansion’s such a drag. ![:frowning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
pretty transmogs though.
thats the only thing keeping me going.
He misunderstood my joke.
Or are you going to tell me Horde can be redeemed somehow?
Whats done is done. Horde did yet another genocide and they have a very long list of atrocities since WoW first launched.
How are you going to sweep all of those skeletons under the rug?