I think’s just I’ve spent so much time in that community since 2013 I just have a clearer view of it’s hypocrisies and BS. I’m not saying you’re wrong btw. Everyone has their own experiences.
It’s one of the few games I’ve just straight up quit because of toxicity. And considering my first online interactions where Halo 2/fps shooter lobbies that says alot.
Wow doesn’t have forced group content with mechanics? Well, that’s probably why queable dungeons and LFR are so brain dead easy. Although I was in Freehold, and the group wiped over and over, until someone finally said “you need to grab the pig!”
FF14 actually has queable content where you will seriously wipe the group if you don’t do things correctly, and you can either learn how to play the dungeon or scream “you don’t pay my sub!” I remember not too long ago people also felt it was good for people to entered dungeons and raids prepared rather than totally blind. The arguments in FF14 I typically see are people saying things like “You need to eat the fruit or we all die”, and sorry, if someone has been wiping you over and over cause they are doing something wrong, you need to speak up. I don’t really see anything worse than WoW, where I see plenty of ‘huntard’ and name calling, or at least I did before things became so brain dead easy. It’s pretty much the reason I think things became so easy. Walk into a Mythic 10 having no idea what to do and you may seem similar name calling develop.
I just find WoW’s queable content has become so easy that rather than people being nice, they don’t even talk and just wait for the buffs to go back. I remember during the timewalking event for the deathwing event though, there was plenty of name calling on people not doing it right because wiping actually meant having to do redo things. In short, the same ocurrs in WoW once the content becomes more difficult and they get tired of wiping - assuming they don’t just kick you while saying nothing.
FF14 also suffers from people seriously playing their class wrong. Like the meme black mage that says he’s a frost mage and only casts ice spells, which do no damage. People correct this person and the meme response is “you don’t pay my sub”, but how much do people in WoW enjoy DPS players doing worse than the tank? In LFR, they won’t care, harder content, they will.
The whole “you don’t pay my sub” thing is just toxic casuals who have had enough of the abuse. Like I said you aren’t forced to do group content here if anything I would think Wow is more chill than FFXIV and to be fair it kinda is. Don’t get me wrong the high end is a gatekeeping nightmare of IO scores and dps parses. Ofcourse FFXIV’S high end is exactly the same the only difference is SE forces those players to group up with casual players and their ideologys clash because of it. The fact that SE forces these interactions on players with tombstones alone is just nutty.
I dont think is uncommon for people to wipe in LFR or even get to 10 stacks of determination and people absolutely care about low dps in those cases, kicking out under performing players.
Also people aren’t forced into LFR so even then those interactions are avoidable. Think if it was forced? Jesus the $hit show.
You’re not getting the point.
You can join as a hunter and be survival, BM or marksmanship. If you were a hunter in FFXIV, you would be only 1 and only ever 1. Until the expansion changes, your rotation will always be the same. You will always use the same abilities.
I think forced is a bit strong here.
They aren’t exactly forced to be in the roulette, just as people aren’t forced to go into LFR. The content they need to complete as part of the main scenario has also been made really easy. Finally, in the recent expansion, they can actually use NPCs to get through dungeons.
No they’re not forced to do roulettes, but you would be wasting your time not doing them.
Also it is still forced group content regardless of how easy it is.
Did they expand the Trust system past the restrictions of Shadowbringers? Like you can run Sastasha with them?
Edit: Sorry hard to format posts on your phone laying in bed lol.
You were always able to run low level dungeons with NPCs. But you had to train your own little group of them with your Grand Company, not to complete Roulettes but could get other nice things like emotes.
Oh you’re talking about the grand comapy ones that you have to have done group content to have access to.
I was speaking about the Trust system. Now if you can do that from the beginning then there’s some progress.
Sorry I was strictly talking about the Trust System the grand company one is really a higher end feature since you have to be a high rank to even train them.
Well, when I played a Mage in Retail Wow, I was never really rotating frost, arcane, and fire. Like most people I think, they had one preferred spec and they pretty much always played that spec unless it got nerfed. You still need to learn the other specs, and often playing them well requires changing gear and associated stats. In Shadowlands, it may even be convenants unless you are ok playing a less optimized version.
I think it’s also a bit of playstyle choice. I suspect I’m like most people in FF14 having more than one single job at level cap. I’ve always had all healers and range at max, and rotated them around because having multiple classes is just so much easier and faster in FF14 compared to WoW. So for me it gets switched up because I’m often queing as a different type of healer and trying it out, which I think is pretty common in FF14.
Roulettes encourage (or bribe, rather) players to keep doing the content so that players that go through that forced content won’t be waiting 20 years or for the chance of running into more people at that same exact point.
FFXIV plays very much like a single-player game, but to say having sections of forced group content (which is usually for introducing new dungeons that tie in to the story) is bad, well… There’s always a true single-player game somewhere else.
It depends what content you are clearing, the difference in WoW can be too big to ignore, realistically almost everyone clearing high keys or raiding mythic is “forced” into a spec. Unless the difference is performance is not meaningful.
What I’m saying is there are people who don’t want to do forced group content or rather they shouldn’t. And it’s forced upon them. I know what you’re going to say and I agree, but in Wow it’s a non issue. You can’t just quest and level in FFXIV you will inevitably get forced into group content.
But I didn’t come here to harp on that. I was more agreeing about the toxicity.
But there also comes a time when WoW does actually force you into group content, at least if you want to advance at all. Warfronts and Islands are an example, or even legion invasions. They could be skipped like Roulette, but I think doing so would be pretty silly. Warfronts are also made super easy as well.
I mean, you’re describing a playstyle where someone effectively plays WoW as a single player game, never grouping, never doing a dungeon, LFR, warfronts, nothing. I think few people honestly play that way. They will even make you do a mythic 0 to accomplish certain things, so at a certain point, you are kinda forced, unless you basically want to stop advancing your character.
I guess you could just spend all your time doing Pet Battles, but again, I think that playstyle is a minority.
But what I’m saying is in a game like FFXIV that person who doesn’t want to do that has that happen to them. They swallow their pride and suck it up. They get to let’s say level 60 and get told they suck. They blow up on the guy with “you don’t pay my sub!” That’s what I was talking about. You have legions of hyper casuals doing forced group content so it always confused me as to why the perception was it wasn’t toxic. It’s like a volatile cocktail waiting to explode. That and coupled with players who want to get in and get out. I just can’t see it as sunshine and rainbows.
Believe it or not, FFXIV is pretty strong when it comes to class balancing. Group gets bigger bonuses for having no duplicates (More Limit Break generation) and for having ranged physical/melee physical/magic damage (in the form of hidden stat buffs like you would get for bringing a warrior or mage for shouts in WoW).
If you can play a job well, you can get into content. It isn’t so much any of the jobs being bad, but rather, player skill determines whether they are able to compete.
I get it that you didn’t didn’t care for a certain spec on mage, I didn’t either. But if you wanted to, you can still go with any of the 3. And I too had a few jobs at max level ready to swap at the drop of a hat but it just sucks that I cannot pick up dark knight and be a DPS like I was in FFXI.
Laughs in Stormblood Machinist. Jesus I was denied constantly to high end groups because of that fact alone.
Stormblood Machinist was busted for a different reason. If you didn’t have good ping, it was impossible to play well.