Yea true that most classes don’t have the same one … damn sorry , i usually think about others too before typing something >.<
You are right , but sometimes the stats on a pvp piece are the perfect one for pve and vice versa did not mean it has only using 1 set of gear but more has both source having viable gear for the other side of content .
Are the kids doing karate in the garage again?
I think it is a reasonable trade off for faster gearing in PVP though don’t you?
If PVP gear is boosted in PVP, it isn’t like you are running around naked in PVE.
If you PVE at all, you will be rewarded with gear that is better for PVE.
Gear separation is the key to PVP gear being fast to obtain a baseline honor set, while keeping everyone’s ilvl in check. This cannot happen if PVP gear is equally as effective in PVE.
Oh well maybe its egoist of me to want both gear to be equally good.
BFA pvp felt unrewarding compared to pve , that left a bad taste in my mouth . Would love a system that feels rewarding for doing both instead of splitting wow into 2-3 games . Something no expansion ever managed to do .
A gearing system that makes :
Players still feel rewarded from doing content , feels bad to grind a second set with similar ilvl , doesn’t feel like upgrades at all
Players feel comfortable stepping into the other side
Players not forced into other content to stand a chance in said content
Players have the advantage of choice for doing both pvp and pve
Oh well maybe in 5-10 expansion they will have a decent solution ! Till then ima just run whats needed 
Did you play during WoD?
The barrier to entry was so low as gearing happened so quickly (10-12 hours /played and you were 15 ilvl below BiS).
So much fun, and it encouraged me to play so many different classes.
I just don’t see how you can ever balance the difficulty, time and skill needed across PVE and PVP. They are too different from each other
Wait thats a good question , i know i played during wod , but i dont remember how the pvp gearing was . Was it scale up/scale down ? If so that felt okay-ish but kinda bad since i dont remember needing to grind any pvp gear to pvp
I just don’t want to PvE anymore. I don’t enjoy PvE, and I don’t want to compete by spending time in Mythic+ and Raiding.
I just want to cap conquest like in MoP, obtain my weekly piece and be ready to do arena without having to worry about being obliterated by a team with ridiculous trinkets.
What was the issue with MoP gearing and reforging? We had PvP Power and Resilience. Raiding gear was superior in damage, but you’d get annihilated without resilience.
8.3 I did.
All PVP gear scaled up by 30 ilvl in PVP. And everyone was brought up to 40 ilvl below the BiS Conquest gear if they were below that threshold.
Honor gear was only 10 ilvl below conquest gear, and a full set was easily earned in a few days playing casually. All PvP gearing was best done via PVP.
Mythic raid gear was nerfed in PVP so it was 10 ilvl below conquest
- The PvP iLevel of Honor and Conquest gear has increased.
- All gear now scales up to iLvl 700.
- Warmongering Aspirant gear is iLvl 715.
- Warmongering Combatant gear is iLvl 730.
- Warmongering Gladiator gear is iLvl 740.
- Any PvE gear over iLvl 730 will be scaled down to iLvl 730.
- Winning Rated Battlegrounds and completing the weekly Ashran Dominance quest now awards you a random piece of PvP iLvl 740 Conquest gear.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/19968665/warlords-season-3-pvp-has-begun
Me too because I didn’t care about PVE. If I did though, I would probably be doing PVE and earning gear for it.
It should look like this:
Do PVE, get rewarded for PVE.
Do PVP, get rewarded for PVP.
OR you could just add PVP power/defense to PVP gear.
2/4 set bonus.
Trinket 2 set bonus.
75% reduced effectiveness in PVP combat for raid trinkets.
Tank trinkets un-useable in arena and not usable by players not in tank specialization.
Goes without saying disable the PVE cheat death trinkets from healers as well.
Problem solved
PVE vs PVP item level would literally not matter if the PVP power/defense provided on pvp gear exceeded any gains from higher lvl pve gear.
Not science of the rocket variety.
Should you be at an absolute loss in PVE gear in pvp? nah but you shouldnt be top dog or close to it
Vice versa for PVP gear in pve.
I am very literally only here because of this video.
This amount of time is absolutely insane. 197 gear for Over 80 hours? That’s 4 weeks at my job. I have a 2 hour commute back and forth. This means 10 hours of my day are devoted to the human grind. After this i spend around an hour feeding myself, about 30 minutes showering, and 30 minutes (Being GENEROUS) falling asleep. this is 12 hours of the 16 hours of allotted consciousnesses being a human. This leaves 4 hours AT MOST that are FOR ME every day, and i want to spend it on doing something that i enjoy. On the weekends i have all 16 Give or take 1-2 hours starting at the end of friday and ending at the end of sunday.
This is Roughly 56 hours a week if i were to IMMEDIATELY log onto WoW and start PvPing. This is AHEM is absolutely rediculous. it’s closer to 25-40. We’ll call it 32 hours. I’ll run off the hard numbers in the video for this next part…
TIME GATING THROUGH RENOWN? AFTER 7 WEEKS I WILL HAVE PUT OVER 200 HOURS INTO THE GAME AND
AT
HOUR 200 I WILL NOT HAVE FULL HONOR LEVEL GEAR ON MY 2H FROST DK. MY MAIN… MAIN CHARACTER.
How about THIS blizzard, make PVP Gear go DOWN in IL when Instanced into a Dungeon or Raid so PvE’rs don’t feel Obligated to PvP.
Renown is already BS enough with weekly time gating and obligations.
PVP is the ONE SYSTEM that shouldn’t be time gated. PVP’rs for better or worse Do Not Care About Staying Current In PvE Content. There’s a Good Chunk of this playerbase that can teldrassil the current raids in so long as PvP is enjoyable.
This Essentially means: If you WANT to PvP then you need to put (I’m LOWBALLING AS HARD AS POSSIBLE) over ONE-HUNDRED HOURS into your character to be viable. JUST FOR HONOR GEAR.
Back in MOP there was a ~2k currency Conquest Cap Each Week to buy A FULL PIECE (NO UPGRADES & Max 3500 for a 2H weapon) of your Purple Gear to Replace the Blue gear you could farm out AS FAST AS YOU WANTED.
NOW, it’s a MINIMUM of 7 WEEKS and an ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS amount of honor to get a full set of FULLY UPGRADED PvP gear when you can just do MYTHIC 6 RUNS (WHICH I DON’T WANT TO DO WITH MY TIME) instead of anywhere from 280-400+ BATTLEGROUNDS to get? YOU CAN DO 160 DUNGEONS AT 2 PIECES OF GEAR A DUNGEON TO MORE THAN FULLY GEAR INSTEAD.
I Currently have NO idea wether or not PvP gear even HAS any bonus effect in PvP or if Conquest Gear Is Even A Thing so this means PvE’rs have a SIGNIFICANT advantage over Other Players In A GAME MODE THEY DIDN’T EVEN ATTEMPT TO GEAR FOR.
Give us SOMETHING Blizzard: PvP Set bonuses at 3, 6, 9, and 11 pieces of gear.
3: Reduced Trinket CD’s.
6: Bonus Vers While engaged in combat with another player.
9: Bonus Move Speed and Main stat with a glowing aura after you get a KB on an honorable Target.
11: Invulnerable to CC from players who don’t have a PvP set bonus.
I’m not a game dev but if even I can see this is broken (and a devaluation of my time) while this is one of the Only Aspects Of The Game I Enjoy then imma need the money i gave you for the expansion back and you’re not going to get the hundreds of dollars from sub fees from me. Honestly, Not Just Me, This is such a heinous act of blatant disconnection from your playerbase that it’s Not Going To Be Just Me that’s THIS upset.
You’ve already scared off PLENTY of people with this Corruption BS and PvP scaling that you Thought would be a good idea and now you Think that this is too. I can tell you for a fact that It’s Not.
Let us get PvP gear at WHATEVER SPEED WE WANT. If you’re
Concerned
That it’s going to interfere with PvE gearing then Make it so that the PvP gear has an increased effect in ONLY PvP and ignore the Open World Mechanics of Cross Faction Cooperation since it’s good for organic gameplay. Finally, Just give us some cool PvP specific cosmetics that act like bright colors in the animal kingdom. Examples:
A: Cross Faction Battlecrys (You’ve heard the screams of the opponent for long enough that you understand their tongue, apparently screaming “Oh God Please Don’t Kill Me” in proper Common is demoralizing to a human)
B: You’ve been on the battlefiend long enough to not mangle every body you make and can now Cleanly take the head off an opponent. (On a critical Strike that results in a KB you vaporize the enemy’s head)
C: The Fields of battle are the only place where you feel truly at home, Your Home, and you want the world to know it. (Once the doors open you unleash a battlecry that can be heard by the enemy)
D: After all these hours spent on your mount, they no longer know the fear of death as you’ve became the master of That Too. (Your Mount now stays around to /MountSpecial after you dismount near an enemy before disappearing)
E: Legends of your conquests have echoed thougout the fields of battle -And face it, there’s probably one guy talking about what you did in a bg to their buddies- which has began to give you Deific Powers. (While damage trinkets are active you radiate a cosmetic aura that pings the minimap if you get a KB while it’s active.)
F: You… Yes You… You Know Who You Are… (RP Walking towards an opponent Radiates selectable music that fades out with distance. If 2 players do this at eachother then then the player with more HK’s music starts playing.
G: All In good Fun. (If dropped below 10% by a single player before killing that same player then you can /pray, /salute, /spit, /rude, etc. at their soul filled corpse to automatically mark yourself on the enemy’s HUD)
H: Because it Wasn’t Hard Enough. (If you /chicken at an enemy they receive a 10% bonus to Damage and Resistance against You and YOU ALONE. after 3 Successful /chicken debuff kills they receive the “ENOUGH” buff and gain a 20% damage buff against THE WHOLE BG and a 50% bonus to damage and resistance against YOU AND YOU ALONE. Everyone Will Know… what are you, Chicken? This causes /chicken to initiate combat.)
Just imagine an individual, slowly riding at you, and as they approach there’s music that grows louder. Is that… No, you’re not in Kot’Mogu, it can’t be. He’s just walking, RP WALKING, AND HE’S GETTING CLOSER. QUICK, I GOTTA CC HIM… IMMUNE? WHY ISN’T MY CYCLONE WORKING? Did he Just /chicken at m… WHY DO I HAVE A BUFF? DID HE JUST HOP OFF HIS MOUNT? WHY IS IT STILL THERE? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT AURA?
The Orc speaks quietly “Oh god, no, please don’t kill me, i’m just farming herbs”
wait WHAT? MY TRANSLATOR POTION ISN’T ACTIVE!
The orc starts picking up in volume… “gotta run, Gotta run, Gotta Run, GOTTA RUN, GOTTA RUN”
NEITHER OF US HAVE ATTACKED, WHY CAN’T I MOUNT?!
the last you have before he /laugh’s over your corpse
Typical PvP’er…
Here’s more discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/jm4dus/bad_change_to_pvp_gear_and_honor_vendor_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
*** 18:29 IN THIS NEXT VIDEO WILL HURT YOUR SOUL ***
now this is a post right here!!!
Thank you for that! Good post.
My friends and I had more fun at lower level PvP than cap level pvp. That obviously should not be the case. Gear grinding used to be fun now it’s demoralizing. People who play pvp id imagine for the most part enjoy just fighting other players. Gearing up can be fun but fighting other players on an equal playing field, testing your skill is the core of pvp. Zillions of hours needed to get gear and having to advance in multiple systems just kills the fun of PvP, nor was it ever the main point. Please do what you can to reduce the time needed for gearing for pvp. Players literally want to just fight one another without dedicating another job to gearing to even begin enjoying pvp. The original system worked well with the honor set and the conquest set that was weekly locked. Anything in the ballpark of that would be received with open arms from the PvP community.
Wonder if refund is still available?
Ready to quit playing this game. PvP is already sounding like more friction than something as f***ing simple as - WoD honor gear/conquest gear.
And now I’m hearing something about timegating bull****? Conquest gear that isn’t equal ilvl?
When I get off work I’m unsubbing (refunding if possible). I’ll go play star wars battlefront 2 and wait for 2077 release and go from there. I may return, but not until Ion gets the f*** out of here. Trash lead game designer.
Honor
Push your rating, duelist will be mythic ilvl rival will be just below and chall will be heroic*
If they keep it current
Yeah they arent perfect and mostly suck in comparison, but let’s at least be accurate.
Edit: never mind I thought I was on the bg forums.
It’s actually sad to feel good about not preordering the game. For me, I just can’t support retail anymore now that it’s like this.
Why can’t they just bring back pvp gear with a pvp stat…Just have it be two tiers. Tier 1 is easy to get, simple quick grind through BG’s. Maybe a week of grinding so you’re not spending months getting blown up by people with gear. Tier 2 can be rated gear that takes time to earn, but make it so the stats are only slightly better so that skill still overcomes gear.
I don’t understand why they feel the need to make it so overly complicated. People pvp for pvp, why make gearing a chore?