Something overlooked in Shadow's Rising w/ Night Elves

It was canonically confirmed in the books that Sylvanas raised the fallen Night Elves against their will.
So there is no longer any reason to believe that the NElves were willing but in fact controlled by Sylvanas.

“I see a sad and defeated thing that has chosen a path,” Tyrande replied. “Nothing more.”
“I chose nothing!” Sira shrieked, and Maiev stepped forward, so close her shoulder brushed Tyrande’s. “I did not choose to return. I would never choose to return. Everything inside me is uglyness and rage, and the only thing that quiets the scream is death. For what was done to me, I will see a hundredfold done upon this cursed realm!”.
Pages 271-272

So Sylvanas did an Arthas style raisingon the Night Elves. The pain Sira is presently feeling is akin to -the pain and bloodthrist the Death Knights felt and continue to feel in undeath thanks to him.

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And yet, Sira could die. Forsaken can die. All she has to do is run into a large fire or fall from altitude or take a sword through the chest. If she was really in control of her own will, she could end her existence. She wouldn’t be the first.

If she continued to exist, she did it out of choice and was prepared to continue destroying the living as some sort of payback. I can only assume that being risen destroyed her reason so she couldn’t see any alternative.

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Isn’t she trying to use Jaina’s brother as a bomb?

I don’t need to now this to realize she’s WORST than Garrosh…

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It is implied in the book she does in fact not have a choice at all.

I’ve never understood the Forsaken or similar beings in WoW; you’re an undead abomination, completely unholy and exist only to consume and destroy all livings things. Granted free will, you decide… to keep existing?

Sira and the other undead Nelves would be better off just offing themselves. Death Knights I understand, those folks are just cowards who justify their continued evil because they’re afraid to die, but these randomly risen undead? Makes no sense.

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Which is what I have presumed from the start. I made a post some months ago here:

Where I said I was puzzled about her sudden switch. If indeed Sira had no choice then I guess that post’s question is answered and Sylvanas is no better than Arthas was.

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Pretty much, the pain Sira is in is the same pain described by DKs so she really is just Arthas 2.0 at this point and it’s quite sad. I think her desire to raise NElves by force was an attempt for he to destroy hope.
That means that Delaryn was also raised against her will just as Sylvanas was.

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At this point they’ve retconned basically everything involving Sylvanas and the Forsaken so many times there’s no point in even bothering keeping up with what the current story is. The next time it gets brought up, it’ll be something different.

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Just how big are Maiev’s shoulders exactly? Was she wearing her warden outfit? Why doesn’t the book touch on this?

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I’m going to assume she had giant man shoulders with biceps that would crush your skull and I’m okay with this.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed it, I hope they don’t honestly.
Sylvanas is irredeemable at this point and I don’t want that changing.

You know what, me too.

Funnily enough in game Sira is pretty noncholant about the whole thing straight after she’s raised. Say’s something like - you will find out later why I accepted the valkyries gift - and orders you to report to Nathanos. My thinking is that they opened a can of worms that they don’t real know how to deal with.

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Did she say that? Now I have to look up the quest dialogue. if she did then thats blatant inconsistent writing.

She does, during the Darkshore quest. At this point all my moolah is on “Blizzard thought it was cool, no matter how little sense it made.”

I’m starting to reach the point where I just don’t care anymore. WoW has never been Shakespeare, but some damn internal consistency would be nice.

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I looked up the quest and I didn’t find anything… she appears to just go on about how Elune abandoned her, but I don’t see anything about her accepting the gift.

Well, I could be wrong. It’s been a while since I ran a character through the storyline there. I distinctly recall Sira saying something to that effect, so I’ll run an alt through Darkshore some time and reread everything.

For reference this is what I’m looking at, I’ll read the Alliance side because maybe its on that one.

I gave that a read through, and I don’t see the individual dialogue mentioned anywhere. You can speak with Sira independent of the story line after she is risen, but I don’t see that interaction recorded here.

I’ll go through with an alt sometime tomorrow.

Why not? You are pretty much the same, except from your body, skin and diet. Survival is the most basic instinct, I think they kept it as undead. I dare to say dying and being raised as undead even improves it as you gain more confidence about the meaning of life and people you cared about.

In Darkshore quests you can see that Sira was pretty mad at Elune and is negleted by Tyrande.

The moment you step foot at the beach she says:
Sira: Elune… was she watching over us as Teldrassil burned?

If you are questing as Horde, at the moment of her demise she kept asking why anyone didn’t come for help, why Elune didn’t do anything for her.

Questing as alliance you can feel the apathy of Tyrande when she and Maiev are flying and Maiev is concerned about Sira’s safety, followed by Tyrande’s response that was like “pft, whatever bruh”.

Except in WoW we’ve been told multiple times that undeath fundamentally changes both your spiritual and mental makeup. You hunger for the destruction of the living, your physical senses are dulled, and the only truly strong emotions you feel are anger, rage, and hatred.

If you had free will and fully understood what you’ve become, you’d still want to keep on unliving? You’re either a coward or being controlled. I can’t think fathom any other scenario. Unless you have some ideas you’d like to share?